This is a discussion on Attempted Rape within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by adric22
You know, this brings up an interesting point. I have at times passed women on the side of the road with ...
July 18th, 2011 02:21 PM
One of the best things you can do in that situation is stop, tell THEM not to get out of their car. If they roll down their window tell them to roll it back up to just a crack. Tell them you want to help them but it's safer for them if they don't trust you but that you will call someone for them.
Originally Posted by adric22
Remember that some female "victims" have been known to fake it so they can hurt you too.
Offer to call their insurance company to see if they have road-side assistance. If you want to offer your phone you can do that through a slit in the window, etc. Tell them NOT to hand over their insurance card so that you cannot see their name, etc, but just to read you off the number. I'm sure they will appreciate the help and you can keep things safely distant for BOTH of you.
I'm very glad that Aunt J is okay. You're right. Not knowing who to call (maybe not even having a cell phone?) and then getting into the car of a stranger... yikes!
The moment he said, "You can trust me," would have been the exact moment I would have laughed in his face and told him to hit the road. Of course I would have already called roadside assistance, my husband, and probably would be sitting there playing on DC on my phone while waiting for them to arrive.
Avoidance is paramount here.
July 18th, 2011 03:32 PM
Slightly off topic, Aunt J was legal carrying without a license so long as she remained in her car. Once out of the car, it was no longer legal without a CHL.
That is why everyone who really wants to carry should do the right thing and get the dang CHL. Its not like it is a big deal and it is a prudent move. Once you get it you never have to carry if you don't want to, but at least you are legal.
A woman (or man for that matter) should avoid getting into the car of a stranger. If it isn't a marked police car (with the obvious usual equipment and design such as lights, cage, radios, dash cam etc., it isn't safe. Period.
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July 18th, 2011 03:40 PM
Whew, it's a good thing Aunt J had that .38 in her purse. Hopefully she will not have any legal ramifications for having it in her purse.
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July 18th, 2011 03:47 PM
July 18th, 2011 04:17 PM
Thanks all for the good wishes, this may drag out a while.
Don't make too much of the fact that I don't think she has her permit, I'm not positive of that fact. Just knowing her, her state of residence (no permit required), and her attitude towards government intervention in her personal affairs, I kind of doubt she does.
As you might imagine, details are still being filtered down to us, and of course our primary focus is on Aunt J. The rest will be sorted out over time, and there's not much we can do about that.
Out of concern for her potential legal hassle, I'm being intentionally vague here on some details. I would like to share more, but am also VERY concerned for her well-being at this time (my wife and I have yet to talk to her ourselves). When appropriate, I'll try and share aditional details about the incident, and the outcome.
What the **** - How did I end up on this soapbox again?!?!?
July 18th, 2011 04:17 PM
Glad everything turned out. My wife is waiting anxiously for her license to carry to be completed. Were she in the same situation with a firearm available, I think she'd have driven the rapist's car to report a dead body.
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July 18th, 2011 04:20 PM
I am very happy that your wife's Aunt is safe! How frightening that must've been.
In Costa Rica, a woman's gardener threatened her with a knife and forced her to drive to a secluded area to rape and kill her. The woman complied calmly as part of her survival strategy, since she is an IDPA shooter and was carrying a S&W M&P9c in her purse. When they got to the isolated area, the gardener got distracted for a second and she drew her firearm and shot him 3 times in the chest with her M&P9c loaded with Hornady Critical Defense JHP. According to her reports, the attacker dropped dead instantly and she ran looking for help. She was not charged for any crimes, but was obviously very shaken up by the incident. It was a very big deal with regards to self-defense rights with a firearm, but the anti-gun media of Costa Rica gave it little coverage. Thanks to the pro-gun lobbyists in Costa Rica, we made the story headline via social media, guerrilla marketing and massive email campaigns.
It makes me sick to think that some people are anti-gun when you read these kind of stories. If it were not for the firearm, we would be mourning another terrible tragedy and a psychopath would be loose on our streets to hunt other women.
I sure do love firearms!
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July 18th, 2011 04:32 PM
I agree with Limatunes advice on actions to promote the safety and feelings of a female one may stop to help, while maintaining awareness to promote ones own safety.
I also agree as previously mentioned that I would seriously avoid giving a ride to an unknown female, due to potential problems. We gave time and milage to dispatch whenever transporting females to avoid such problems.
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July 18th, 2011 04:33 PM
That had to be a very traumatic thing to go through. I am glad she is okay and her being armed saved her no doubt.
Just a heads up, you said she was travelling in central Texas so I couldn't tell if she was a Texas resident or just travelling through Texas. If she is a Texas resident and has a Texas Driver's License have her pull it out and on the back just above the bar code in tiny font is the number to Texas Raodside Assistance. There are a ton of Texans that I've told about this and they never realized it. Next time she is in a jam she can whip out her TDL (assuming she has one) and call the number on the back... 1.800.525.5555.
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July 18th, 2011 04:47 PM
In Texas you can carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle without a permit,she woulda been good on the gun part,getting in a car with a stranger not so good.On a lonely stretch of road with a broken down vehicle I won't stop due to the fact it may be a trap,you stop to offer assistance and BG is hidden from view and gets the drop on you and they rob you etc.What I will do is contact LEO and give them the location
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July 18th, 2011 04:48 PM
Yep I think I would have pulled the trigger on that one because he will do it again after he gets out.
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July 18th, 2011 09:46 PM
Good thing that she had a weapon
Justice would've been sure had she shot him in the face. Unfortunately, he'll be out in a couple of years to try again
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July 18th, 2011 11:05 PM
Sounds like Aunt J learned not to trust strangers anymore and she handled herself pretty well when things went South. Glad she came out OK physically.
July 19th, 2011 12:03 AM
My hat is off for Aunt J! I am very impressed that despite the perpetrator's insistence of good intentions, SHE NEVER LET HER GUARD DOWN. That is one tough lady because she took control of the situation, and still had the restraint to not paint the interior of that car with the perp's brains. I say it again, MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU, AUNT J!!! The lonestar state needs more ladies like ya!!!
July 19th, 2011 12:09 AM
Great story with an even greater ending!
Originally Posted by wraymusicman
Might I suggest you call her Aunt "J-Frame"?
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