Thank God CC is coming soon to Wisconsin

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    Thank God CC is coming soon to Wisconsin

    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.


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    Been posted already, but I'm glad Wisconsin got on the ball with that... I have in-laws over there :D

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    Not unlike Chicago Milwaukee is the MOST Liberal anti gun city in the state. Gee aren't we all so surprised?....NOT
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    I'm getting a large canister of Sabre Red Magnum for the car console before I go to the State Fair again!! Gotta show a less-than-lethal intent before seeing the SHTF!
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    And with WI's new Carry law, you'll have to make it at least back to your car before you'll be able to be armed. Not a whole lot different than it is now, with the exception of being able to drive with a loaded firearm, and there's a certain point where GTFO from the area is a better solution than shooting; typically right around the time your engine starts. Yes I'm glad WI is getting CC, but it would have meant little difference in Aug 4's events. Such is the case when "reasonable restrictions" are thought to be ok on an "uninfringed" right. Though the existing WI State Supreme case law would have me answering 3 specific questions in a very specific way.

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    I'm assuming that you are under the assumption that the State Fair would have been posted no guns. Unfortunately, that's a fair assumption. There are too many excpetions given, and the legal sign size was made ludicrously small. A 5" x 7" sign can easily be missed so that could cause issues if the signs that are posted aren't posted in a way to actually be seen easily.

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    Remember tho: If you post a sign you automatically give up your immunity to any liability stemming from a gun related injury. All will have to think long and hard over that one before posting.
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    I'm assuming that you are under the assumption that the State Fair would have been posted no guns. Unfortunately, that's a fair assumption. There are too many excpetions given, and the legal sign size was made ludicrously small. A 5" x 7" sign can easily be missed so that could cause issues if the signs that are posted aren't posted in a way to actually be seen easily.
    I'm actually not even operating on that assumption, as the fair is currently this year. Remember you can legally OC in WI right now, but it's not happening at the fair because...
    Patrons, bags and carry-ins are subject to search upon entry. Certain items may not be brought onto the premises including without limitation: alcohol, contraband, weapons, illegal drugs and controlled substances. The following items are also not permitted on the grounds: cans or glass bottles, lawn chairs, skateboards, in-line skates, bicycles, kites and Frisbee disks. Recording devices are prohibited in the Potawatomi Bingo Casino Main Stage. Pets are not permitted on site unless the pet is part of a Fair event (e.g. Dog Fair). Working service dogs are permitted.
    And law that will be in effect next year...
    943.13 (1m) (c)
    3. While carrying a firearm, enters or remains at a special event if the organizers of the special event have
    notified the actor not to enter or remain at the special event while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. This subdivision does not apply, if the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in the parking facility, to any part of the special event grounds or building used as a parking facility.
    So it's quite likely you'll be turned away at the gate and asked to secure it in your vehicle. Though the given policy does stand to reason that this is a place that will end up being posted, incurring a trespass charge ontop of it all should you pass the sign.

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    I'm still curious as to what will happen when the sign gets obstructed, and people who are CCing go in and get noticed. The bill doesn't really outline what will happen then. I think they have to ask the person who is CCing to leave, but the language is somewhat ambiguous.

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    Seems pretty clear cut to me, you walk past the sign then you're proving your case in court if your weapon becomes unconcealed and the police contacted. Like many states that pass new CC laws, it's going to be building case law and having refinements and clarifications going through in subsequent legislative sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canav844 View Post
    And with WI's new Carry law, you'll have to make it at least back to your car before you'll be able to be armed. Not a whole lot different than it is now, with the exception of being able to drive with a loaded firearm, and there's a certain point where GTFO from the area is a better solution than shooting; typically right around the time your engine starts. Yes I'm glad WI is getting CC, but it would have meant little difference in Aug 4's events. Such is the case when "reasonable restrictions" are thought to be ok on an "uninfringed" right. Though the existing WI State Supreme case law would have me answering 3 specific questions in a very specific way.
    What restrictions are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WIright View Post
    What restrictions are you talking about?
    The fact that you're permitted not exercising a right (despite it being in the state and US constitutions as a right)
    you must pay for that permit every 5 years plus training costs for the first time
    167.31 2a limits you to using a handgun for personal defense on a motor boat,
    Sections b and c again limit you in any vehicle to solely a handgun for defense, no shotgun or if you go through the process with the ATF SBR for personal defense.
    984.605 means if I OC in my vehicle and I drive within 1000ft of a school, it's no different than bringing a gun into the building.
    Even then, having the gun in the school should be allowed IMO, it's just the improper use of it that should be illegal.
    Carrying past a sign will be a trespass charge which is at least a Class A misdemeanor if not a Felony.

    All of these restrictions, criminalize the mere act of carry or being prepared for self defense with not a single aggressive action taken, many criminalize an action that merely having different GPS coordinates would change application of the law. Making the good guys criminals and ignoring the fact that signs don't stop an armed robbery. If on a boat repelling a boarding attempt as shotgun would be more effective on the waves of Lake Michigan in WI waters, but it is criminal to do so in WI. For those that CC all the time, how often does the shirt ride up in the car and is not a noticeable feel? If you're not outright untucking when you get into the car to gain better access if needed as you're already complicating the draw with the seat belt and charged in the same manner 6inch travel of the shirt when near a school, could be 2-3 blocks over on main street passing through town I'm not familiar with the layout of but within 1000ft and I'm being charged the same as had I brought the gun into the school building. In the name of "reasonable restrictions"

    Cannot carry a taser, if I want to carry OC, then it must be OC'ed and diluted to 10% concentration, more "reasonable restrictions" that make the good guy buying to get to safety time a harder proposition.

    Don't get me wrong, the CC bill in WI is a step in the right direction, kind of like working the register at McDonalds is a step toward starting a career; but it's a far cry from what it should be. I travel there frequently and need to be 100% up on the laws to make sure I'm legal there, and I'm hoping that as the culture changes in WI and blood isn't running in the streets by Christmas, that some of the laws may start to change and momentum be gained, so that it becomes easier to carry and patronize WI businesses when I visit.

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    Actually, you are wrong on the 1,000 feet from schools. Merely having a gun, cased and unloaded in the rear of the vehicle, within 1,000 feet of the school is a felony now. I guarantee you that close to 100% of gunowners in the state now have broken that rule. Why? Where do we put our schools? Major roadways in town. Maybe not on the highways, but on the more important roads leading to and from in most cities. If you have traveled north or south on US 53 when you head south by the school between Gordon and Solon Springs you violate that law now. No ifs, no ands, no buts, because that school is well within 1,000 ft of the US 53 southbound lane, and I think that includes the northbound lane too.

    Currently the NRA is backing two citizens that had their guns seized because they were stopped within 1,000 feet of a school (going to and from their homes in the dead zone) and never got their firearms back. One guy exacerbated the situation during a routine stop when he got pulled over, and one guy had an argument with his neighbor who made a false allegation that got him pulled over by his house as he returned from hunting or the range. The article I read was not clear on that particular point. The clear part is that the neighbor made a false accusation, and never was charged with anything while the gun owner lost his firearm.

    The lawsuits are in the beginning stages now. Hopefully that 1,000 foot rule gets struck down completely. If not, then any gun owner in the state who does not apply for a CC permit is being foolish. Current law has massive gun free zones in this state now. The insanity of the situation should make one scared as a gun owner.

    With a CC permit that gets dowgraded to a misdameanor at worst, possibly not chargeable with a crime at all. There are two sections that deal with the possible crime of having a gun near a school. It appears from the one addendum I read, that if you have a CC permit, you can walk anywhere around a school building, but can't go inside with a firearm without committing a crime. Another section states you can't be on the school property, but are legal if you are in the street or on a sidewalk.

    The one clear thing about having a CC permit and schools is, you can drive onto the property and keep the gun in your vehicle with no repercussions. That part is very clear. It's what happens if you are not in a vehicle that isn't clear.

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    well I'll ad WI to my list of States not to live in...

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