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August 20th, 2011 06:22 PM
And Again Bark`n is Correct!. We all just need to pay attention to our surroundings,escape if we can and as a last resort attack and fight for our lives. 8plus1 made a statement that opened my eyes as to what do you do when you run out of ammo?. I haven`t carried a defensive knife since I was a kid but I bought one today,you never know when it`s time to get Stabby!. Nobody wants to shoot or hurt anyone,Last thing I ever want to do but I will allow no harm to come to me and mine Period. Sorry if your Parents didn`t teach you better but this is Real Life Now and I`m NOT going down. The Sheep still think everybody`s going to Love one another,sit and sing "Kumbaya" but in real life that ain`t gonna happen. Always Carry,Never Tell.
August 20th, 2011 06:33 PM
Hey Anglo: Maybe a nice cannister of bear spray would be a better counter to a group of cretins. Can't hurt having a cannister along with the knife. Personally, no one is going to get over on me without my pound of hurt put on them if I am in danger. I will run and stay away and do whatever to get away but when all options are gone, I do not intend to be hurt or killed without at least someone else going along for the ride.
August 20th, 2011 07:21 PM
Hey Kelcarry, I do carry a Kimber Gel Weapon along with some other stuff. BUT gel or spray only goes so far if you`re confronted by a mob. I`m not into leaving here alone either. Do want company. Thanks!.
August 25th, 2011 09:53 PM
Actually most people involved in a flash mob don't know each other. They could give a shot if you shoot another member of the mob. The time and place are posted on sites such as Facebook and blogs and anyone interested in stealing etc joins as they feel there is strength in numbers. If they all were buddies they would plan it behind closed doors, not with an anonymous online posting. My point, don't feel that taking a hostage will sway the others, a member of the group would just shoot through their "buddy" to get to you without blinking an eye.
Originally Posted by claude clay
August 26th, 2011 12:01 AM
I agree with that. Most often, members of the mob will have little personal relationship with the one standing next to them. However, once you start shooting those who advance on you, I find that human nature dictates no one really wants to be the next one who volunteers to get shot.
Originally Posted by ramblinman
Mobs are most likely comprised of cowardly people. Once one, two or three of them start to drop, knowing you mean business, you find very few volunteers lining up to go next.
However, you shouldn't afford them the luxury to reassess the situation and give them time to regroup. Once you've downed a couple of them, you best be making moves to get the hell out of there.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
August 26th, 2011 02:33 AM
Several points I would like to bring up:
Getting in your car and using it for protection is not worth much in a parking lot when it takes half an hour
to move 150 yards to the exit. A car is a weapon if you are moving, it is a target if you are surrounded
on all sides by other non-moving vehicles.
Even in a flash mob situation, it is very likely that within the mob may be groups of friends, kin, or gangs
who stick together for the thrill, as well as for their OWN protection in the situation.
You came with a few friends, right? Why not the thugs in the mob?
While Wisconsin has just enacted A CCW law, future attendees of the State fair, or the many festivals at the lakefront
will be prohibited from attending while armed, and they will probably start using metal detectors and searches to enforce it.
That means leaving your gun in your car (unattended for a few hours) or leaving it at home.
Summerfest and the State fair used to NOT be "stupid places".... but things have changed.
Any situation with large numbers of people you don't know can rapidly become a mob situation.
August 29th, 2011 03:03 PM
Shoot the leader/closest guy to you, watch the followers scatter like roaches.
August 30th, 2011 11:05 AM
Can't speak to 'what if's', each situation is different and fluid. I believe situational awareness(SA) is the key. If it looks fishy..get out of the AO. The unfortunate thing is that the "Flash Mob", is just that,something that appears quickly and unexpectedly. I'm seriously thinking of carrying two weapons either both on my person or one easily grabbed(in a backpack etc). The ability to defend oneself and love ones should be thought out thoroughly. Thinking about adding pepper spray to the 'carry package'. Unfortunately, I'm NO longer an infantryman in reality or age..and there is just only so much one can carry on one's body etc. I do think places like malls, box stores, transportation hubs are the places one has to raise their SA to these mobs.
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September 12th, 2011 12:12 PM
Most flash mobs are middle class youth and are in predominately middle class store areas. It is just that the media always interviews the lower class kid to draw sympathy for the mob. Don't worry , we didn't buy their cell phones, their daddies did.
Originally Posted by QKShooter
Retired Marine, Retired School Teacher, Independent voter, Goldwater Conservative.
September 21st, 2011 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by the old anglo
September 26th, 2011 09:43 PM
My take is that violent FM's are invitations to rival gangs to have it out - more like free-for-alls than friendly cliques in a violent parade. If one is able to exist amongst them it is because they only attack each other not because of mistaken identity as one of their own. Friendship is a first casualty of mob mentality.
Right, Barkin'. There are too many variables in a FM situation as in any SD situation to have an immediate fail-safe response. The Avoid-Evade-Counter plan works for me: move out of the area fast before trouble comes, be as covert as possible if in its midst, have a solid cover for back, if possible while covert drawing; and never use lethal force but against a specific target to stop a threat of grave bodily injury or death to own person or intimate.
Originally Posted by Bark'n
Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
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