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Thoughts from a shooting victim

This is a discussion on Thoughts from a shooting victim within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by HotGuns Everyone argues about shot placement. Yeah...you have got have that to work. Unfortunately what most people dont realize is that being ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Everyone argues about shot placement. Yeah...you have got have that to work. Unfortunately what most people dont realize is that being able to shoot a nice little group at 25 yards on a target that doesnt move, dosent charge you with a big knife or isnt shooting back at you is easy and not all like shooting at someone that wants you dead
    While I'll agree with you on this, there is something to consider. When I go to the range, there are people who are at a lot of different skill levels. My mother-in-law, for example, is trying to get her CHL but she is having difficulty hitting the target "at all" at 5 yards. When I say "at all," I literally mean the bullet never even hits the paper. So we're trying to work with her to improve that. So you can imagine if she were shooting at a moving target, it would be a lot more difficult for her than somebody who was at least good at shooting paper targets. If the BG is only 3 feet away the head or COM shouldn't be that hard to hit.

    If you had several different pistols on a table, all of them in different calibers, like .22,25, .380, 9mm or .45 which one would you pick?
    Greatly depends on the circumstance. How big is the gun? What am I wearing? Will I be able to conceal it? Am I going into a high-risk situation? Lots of considerations there, everything is a balance.

    Would anyone with even an inkling of a clue pick a .22,25 or even a .380 if they knew they were going ito battle..even if it were just Simunitions and you could all laugh and joke around and talk about your exploits when it was all over?
    Well, no. I don't think anyone would take a .22 knowing for sure that they'd be having to use it in combat that day. But then again, if we knew we were going to be in combat we'd probably also be wearing body armor, carrying 4 extra magazines, and a lot of other stuff that we wouldn't normally do. Again, since we never know when the day will come, we have to have a sort of balance between what we're willing to do and be comfortable at the same time.

    It doesn't make sense does it? That it why I say that those that feel the smaller calibers or OK have unrealistic expectations. They arent carry a gun with the intent to win a battle, they are carrying the gun because it is convenient, its easy, because it is less of a hassle.
    I think you assume too much. When I pack my .380 for the day usually it is for a reason. And usually when I'm putting it on I'm thinking to myself something along the lines of "Well, I sure hope I don't have to use my gun today. But if I do, this will be better than nothing."

    On the flip side.. I have a friend who is ex Army Special Forces... He carries a Walther P22 with silencer and low velocity .22 rounds. Not sure why. He has tons of other guns. I personally believe it is because he thinks it is really cool and mean looking with the silencer on the end. But he is also convinced that a .22 sub-sonic is more lethal than the larger calibers due to the fact it ricochets around inside the body cavity, or even inside the skull. I don't really argue with him about it though. He can carry whatever he wants, its his business. I've been known to carry my Walther P22 at times also (mine has no silencer, though), but it has been 4 or 5 months since I last carried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    This is exactly the problem with good people that carry little guns. They try to use "logic" on people that have never used it, cant spell it, or have no idea what it means.They also tend to think that the person that they fight with has the same pain threshold that they do and they assume that the bad guy even cares about living.

    That is why people carry little calibers. They argue that they will kill someone and dead is dead,without realizing that some people dont know they are dead yet and wont stop attacking you until they quit moving. Handguns in all calibers are an iffy proposition, so you are already handicapped. Its the very reason that people fighting wars use rifles and not handguns.

    Statistics show that if you have to shoot someone in self defense, more than likely they will be drunk, high on drugs or not in the right state of mind. If you have to shoot someone with a handgun, and they are messed up, you want it to do the job in a manner that stops the attack...right then, not 20 minutes from now when the guy bleeds out.

    Everyone argues about shot placement. Yeah...you have got have that to work. Unfortunately what most people dont realize is that being able to shoot a nice little group at 25 yards on a target that doesnt move, dosent charge you with a big knife or isnt shooting back at you is easy and not all like shooting at someone that wants you dead, that wont stand in one spot, or uses cover, or shoots back . Its not rocket science hitting a moving target, but it does take practice, and a different sort of practice that most people dont practice.

    I have seen otherwise excellent shooters, guys that could shoot little groups with pistol or rifle at ranges too far the average guy to beleive,miss each other at arms length when using force on force drills.Guys that would argue that shooting a man sized target is easy, that you couldn't hardly miss. Then you change things up about and use force on force in unkown scenarios where you have to think on your feet and react right or get shot, and all of a sudden all of those target shooting skills and techniques go right out the window. Someone that actually hunts you and wants to shoot you and it changes the dynamics quite a bit. You know that getting shot hurts, and it hurts enough that you arent going to get stupid and expose yourself.

    No imagine yourself doing force on force drills with a simunitions equipped .22 going against someone with a chalked knife, or even a 9mm equipped Simunitions gun.

    If you had several different pistols on a table, all of them in different calibers, like .22,25, .380, 9mm or .45 which one would you pick?

    Would anyone with even an inkling of a clue pick a .22,25 or even a .380 if they knew they were going ito battle..even if it were just Simunitions and you could all laugh and joke around and talk about your exploits when it was all over?

    Then why is it OK to use weenie calibers to be called upon if you have to defend yourself or your loved ones with lethal force?

    It doesn't make sense does it? That it why I say that those that feel the smaller calibers or OK have unrealistic expectations. They arent carry a gun with the intent to win a battle, they are carrying the gun because it is convenient, its easy, because it is less of a hassle. They think that everyone thinks like they do, and that they will be as easy to kill as what they seen on TV where someone gets shot and instantly drops.


    It only makes sense to use the most efficient tool for the job, and the little calibers are not it.
    Well...let me apologize, I'm sorry! I didn't know my "little gun" and I were the problem! Thank you for your enlightenment. Pardon me for never having had the need to shoot a drug crazed felon. I don't have your experience to go on. The only thing I have to apply, is common sense and logic, or should I have approached it with ignorance and stupidity instead?
    Perhaps I should start hanging out with crackheads down in the ghetto to gain some experience.
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    Stubborn is right. The name, I mean. Sensitive might have worked too. Or "touchy."

    Personally, I can't imagine any grownup being incapable of carrying a Kahr MK9 or CW9 in a pocket, or tucked under a belt. From my point of view, carrying a .22 is therefore an active choice. I wish you the best with your choice-- but it certainly would not be mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geohans View Post
    Stubborn is right. The name, I mean. Sensitive might have worked too. Or "touchy."

    Personally, I can't imagine any grownup being incapable of carrying a Kahr MK9 or CW9 in a pocket, or tucked under a belt. From my point of view, carrying a .22 is therefore an active choice. I wish you the best with your choice-- but it certainly would not be mine.
    Where do you get the idea I carry a .22 ???? That was part of what ticked me off. I carry a 9 or a .38 snubby. Simply because I said I thought a .22 knocking out 7 teeth would knock anyone down... and I still think it would.
    Apparently you're new here, if you look at someone's profile you will see what they carry.
    If you want to kiss the moderators butt, that's fine...but you're not going to insult me to do it.

    Perhaps you need to read the entire thread before you jump in, or maybe your reading comprehension needs some improvement.
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    Not a true story. A hit from a .22 won't be noticed for months until the cyst around the bullet forms. Then it can be popped like a zit and put a band-aid on it the hole.

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    I came across some very old gun ads a while back and one was touting the new .25 as the perfect concealed carry handgun.

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