Concealed Carry to the max.

This is a discussion on Concealed Carry to the max. within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I was at work last night (bouncer) and I ID'ed a guy from FL. When he pulled his ID out of his wallet I spotted ...

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 50
Like Tree35Likes

Thread: Concealed Carry to the max.

  1. #1
    Member Array ampinf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    CT/MA/NY USA
    Posts
    33

    Concealed Carry to the max.

    I was at work last night (bouncer) and I ID'ed a guy from FL. When he pulled his ID out of his wallet I spotted his CT CWP behind it. It is our policy that once we see a CWP we ask if that person will consent to a search. So I asked and his response was,

    Customer: "Oh! You can't carry in here?"
    Me: "No you can't sir"
    C: "Well I've got like 3 guns on me!"
    Me: "You wanna go drop those off in your car?"
    C: "OK"

    He comes back in with all of his holsters on he told me he was carrying a glock 22, some .357, and a .380. He was patted down. Then I ask him why he needs so many guns on him,

    "In case you get jumped by a bunch of people" *simulates drawing and then cross body firing Hollywood style.*

    Needless to say I kept a bead on him the rest of the night.

    ---------------------

    This story coincides with a current argument me and my father are having. He carries one weapon with two spare magazines and I would rather carry two weapons with a spare mag for the main. (also a blade and OC) His argument is what I would look like to an LEO who came across me with all of this on me, that I would look sketchy. I say all of it is legal and I also don't have that problem were stupid things come out of my mouth.

    My vote is for a BUG and almost always will be but the incident above does sort of open my eyes on how it can make you look crazy, if you combine carrying multiple weapons with blabbering off at the mouth about it.

    I am also really scared about how this guy was packing 3 weapons + mags and I couldn't tell. That's a plus for CC but scares the crap out of me for the current job I am in.

    Sidenote: I know it makes no sense to only search people with concealed carry licenses but that is our policy. I know many customers come by without me or another person being able to glance their ccw and get in their their weapons. I actually know a few regulars who carry and I encourage it so to speak. We also pat anyone who "looks the part" or assumes the position automatically.

    Two questions for anyone willing to respond

    1) what do you think about carrying a BUG or BUGs as in the aforementioned case

    2) anything i can look for when trying to tell if someone is carrying?

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    Senior Member Array The Old Anglo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Orlando,Fl
    Posts
    676
    Good Job,Idiots are Everywhere!!!!.

  4. #3
    VIP Member
    Array WHEC724's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    SC
    Posts
    6,495
    I wouldn't be unnerved by someone carrying three guns, so much as the dirtbag carrying one with ill intention.

    1) Personally, I don't see anything wrong with carrying a BUG provided it is properly holstered and you are proficient with it. I carry one probably 75% of the time.

    2) Look for the usual; Person favors or frequently touches/adjusts it, Since I carry my bug in a wallet holster I can spot those quick, tell-tale belt clips, etc.. When I used to bounce, I'd take note of who sat with their back to the far wall and watched the entrance.
    __________________________________
    'Clinging to my guns and religion

  5. #4
    VIP Member
    Array archer51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    21,372
    I was at work last night (bouncer) and I ID'ed a guy from FL. When he pulled his ID out of his wallet I spotted his CT CWP behind it. It is our policy that once we see a CWP we ask if that person will consent to a search. So I asked and his response was,

    Customer: "Oh! You can't carry in here?"
    Me: "No you can't sir"
    C: "Well I've got like 3 guns on me!"
    Me: "You wanna go drop those off in your car?"
    C: "OK"

    He comes back in with all of his holsters on he told me he was carrying a glock 22, some .357, and a .380. He was patted down. Then I ask him why he needs so many guns on him,

    "In case you get jumped by a bunch of people" *simulates drawing and then cross body firing Hollywood style.*

    Needless to say I kept a bead on him the rest of the night.
    Since your profile doesn't say where your located. Is it state law that prohibits carry there, or is it company policy? If it is company policy is it prominently posted for patrons to see? Either way your not searching me.


    As for carrying a bug, I do on rare occasions, most the time I carry with 1 spare magazine. Then again, I normal steer clear of places with large and rowdy crowds.
    Freedom doesn't come free. It is bought and paid for by the lives and blood of our men and women in uniform.

    USAF Retired
    NRA Life Member

  6. #5
    VIP Member Array tokerblue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    CT
    Posts
    2,344
    I wouldn't consent to a search by a non-LEO either. I would simply walk out.

    What do you do when you come across a female patron? Do you search her if you suspect her of carrying a weapon or see a pistol permit?

  7. #6
    Distinguished Member Array Bill MO's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    1,426
    I was at work last night (bouncer) and I ID'ed a guy from FL. When he pulled his ID out of his wallet I spotted his CT CWP behind it. It is our policy that once we see a CWP we ask if that person will consent to a search. So I asked and his response was,
    First off you would not see me at your work, I see being there as breaking the 3 S rule. But if for some reason I was there you as a bouncer would not search me. I may not get in but there would be no search.

    what do you think about carrying a BUG or BUGs as in the aforementioned case
    Don't know that you would say I carry a BUG but I carry 2 XDsc with 2 extra mags and 2 knifes. Could that be over kill to some Cops? Most likely to some and would it make a difference to them when asked my question, I have no idea. But my question would be as to how many they are carrying and if my wife's wish for me to come home safe isn't just as important as theirs.
    It's gotta be who you are, not a hobby. reinman45

    "Is this persons bad behavior worth me having to kill them over?" Guantes

  8. #7
    Member Array ConcealedG30's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    KS
    Posts
    362
    Quote Originally Posted by ampinf View Post

    1) what do you think about carrying a BUG or BUGs as in the aforementioned case

    2) anything i can look for when trying to tell if someone is carrying?
    I have a 380 I pocket carry or carry on my belt under a T-shirt, so I employ bug guns more often than not. Usually the bug guns are my back ups to larger caliber weapons.

    If someone is concealing properly it will be hard to tell. My son and I when in public places try to spot CC'ers haven't found many to date, atleast not confirmed, a few suspects.

    I will say some folks will be touchy feelly with their weapons or they will check/touch them.
    Anticipation of Death is Worse Than Death Itself.
    Psalm 46:10 "Be still, and know that I am God;

  9. #8
    VIP Member Array smolck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    3,003
    I feel for the normal citizen a BUG is probably overkill. 90% of the time in a SD situation, the threat will be over (one way or another) within seconds and it is unlikely you will ever have a chance to use it. Think about it, let's say your primary is a Glock that holds 13 rounds, you carry a spare mag and a .38 special revolver on your ankle as a BUG. Do you really think you will shoot all 13 rounds, stop, reload, shoot another 13 rounds till empty and then pull your .38 and shoot 5 more shots?

    In every news article I have ever read on SD incidents involving a gun, or in any video I have ever seen where someone uses a gun in SD, the incident is over in less than 10 seconds and the bad guy either runs or dies (or the good guy). You would have to be in a really bad spot to need all that firepower.

    For me, I am not going to load myself down with all that stuff. My 1911 and one spare mag are enough. If they aren't, I seriously doubt another gun or another mag will save me, I must have broken a lot of SA rules to put myself into a really, really bad spot.
    Hopyard likes this.

  10. #9
    Senior Moderator
    Array limatunes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    4,246
    I've thought really hard and can't think of a single time I carried a BUG. I don't see anything "interesting" or weird about carrying a main and a small backup or even two midsized guns but 3?? Yeah, that would make me raise my eyebrows. I don't think I'd be particularly worried about it but it does seem a bit much for an average citizen in my finite opinion.

    That being said, if someone has a good carry system and is comfortable with their carry then there really isn't going to be many "tells."

    I used to work at a gun store and range and I had a couple of customers who would deliberately try to guess where I was carrying as a sort of game. Sometimes they would get it just because I had my "usual" spots but sometimes they were totally amazed where I managed to hide my 1911.

  11. #10
    Senior Moderator
    Array limatunes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    4,246
    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    I feel for the normal citizen a BUG is probably overkill. 90% of the time in a SD situation, the threat will be over (one way or another) within seconds and it is unlikely you will ever have a chance to use it. Think about it, let's say your primary is a Glock that holds 13 rounds, you carry a spare mag and a .38 special revolver on your ankle as a BUG. Do you really think you will shoot all 13 rounds, stop, reload, shoot another 13 rounds till empty and then pull your .38 and shoot 5 more shots?

    In every news article I have ever read on SD incidents involving a gun, or in any video I have ever seen where someone uses a gun in SD, the incident is over in less than 10 seconds and the bad guy either runs or dies (or the good guy). You would have to be in a really bad spot to need all that firepower.

    For me, I am not going to load myself down with all that stuff. My 1911 and one spare mag are enough. If they aren't, I seriously doubt another gun or another mag will save me, I must have broken a lot of SA rules to put myself into a really, really bad spot.
    More ammo is on the bottom of the list of reasons to carry a BUG.

    Having been in FOF classes with airsoft I have learned how frequently hands get shot. The point of a BUG is if you do drop your gun or your strong hand/gun is shot and dropped or damaged in a way that cannot he quickly cleaned you have a back up.

    There are also some positions you might find yourself in where you can't draw your primary but you can get to your BUG.

    That's really what BUG's are for... Not so much for additional ammo.

  12. #11
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,656
    We can't do justice to this thread without asking, WHERE'S GRADY?

    The guy went to a Vegas Casino with 10 or 11 on him. But that was an, uh, special situation, and Grady's a special guy.

    Personally, I think 3 is over doing it for the civilian carry community. Weather and clothing and convenience and what you happen to own would determine if its better to have extra mags or a BUG, though I tend to lean toward the BUG idea-- do what I say not what I do, however.

    Really, and I know I'll offend some folks, I have to wonder about the sanity of an ordinary dude who thinks his world is so dangerous that he needs 3. If I lived in that world I'd be moving yesterday and/or finding a new line of work.
    glockman10mm and MadMac like this.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
    Andrew Jackson

  13. #12
    VIP Member Array glockman10mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    8,853
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    We can't do justice to this thread without asking, WHERE'S GRADY?

    The guy went to a Vegas Casino with 10 or 11 on him. But that was an, uh, special situation, and Grady's a special guy.

    Personally, I think 3 is over doing it for the civilian carry community. Weather and clothing and convenience and what you happen to own would determine if its better to have extra mags or a BUG, though I tend to lean toward the BUG idea-- do what I say not what I do, however.

    Really, and I know I'll offend some folks, I have to wonder about the sanity of an ordinary dude who thinks his world is so dangerous that he needs 3. If I lived in that world I'd be moving yesterday and/or finding a new line of work.
    Ill help ya ruffle it up. I think its a little crazy for the average joe in a normal life to carry more than one. I think alot of people live in a fantasy world and watch too much TV. Extra ammo, I understand.
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

  14. #13
    Member Array Joey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Monroe Ga.
    Posts
    364
    Well Clint Smith always says 1 is none, and 2 is 1. Just sayin.
    "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary.
    Men alone are quite capable of every wickedness."

    -Joseph Conrad-

  15. #14
    VIP Member Array glockman10mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    8,853
    Quote Originally Posted by Joey View Post
    Well Clint Smith always says 1 is none, and 2 is 1. Just sayin.
    While I highly respect Clint, I like to use my brain and common sense for my own thinkin. Oh, everybody should and has the right to carry as they see fit. I would just hate to think I was so afraid of everything I had to dress like I was making a hostile beach landing everytime I went outside. Hell, what kind of life would that be?
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

  16. #15
    Member Array Joey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Monroe Ga.
    Posts
    364
    I see your point, and I only carry one gun when I carry. But I do see the advantages to carrying more then one.

    Its like that older man that was driving through Texas, when a state trooper pulled him over.

    The officer gets to the window and is handed the mans drivers license, insurance card, and ccw license. The officer ask the man if he had any weapon on him, the old man replies yes I have a loaded .357 mag on my hip, a loaded 9mm in the glove box, and in the trunk I have a loaded 12 ga. shotgun, and a loaded AR-15. The officer ask the man what in the world are you afraid of? The man replies not a thing.

    That's just a joke that I was told a while back, and its a little far fetched but there is some truth to it. I don't and probably never will carry that many guns, well unless the zombie come lol. Anyway either way its all about what your comfort level is. Clint smith also says " If you carry a gun then people will call you paranoid, but I say if you carry a gun the you don't have anything to be paranoid about".
    "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary.
    Men alone are quite capable of every wickedness."

    -Joseph Conrad-

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search tags for this page

can a bouncer carry a gun

,
can a bouncer carry a handgun in oklahoma
,

can a bouncer conceal a gun

,

can bouncers carry guns

,

can bouncers carry guns in virginia

,

can bouncers carry hand guns with a ccw in oklahoma

,

can bouncers carry handguns

,
ccw bouncer
,

do bouncers carry guns

,
how much time do you get for carrying a conclead weapon in oregon
,

kentucky maximum round concealed carry

,

max crowd for ccw in

Click on a term to search for related topics.