Pretty sure I saw a robbery today

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    I have always thought that the first time should realize I have a gun is when they see the flash. As I ponder similar scenarios, producing a firemarm ( low ready,) might be all that is needed to prevent this from becomming a shooting. I am still not convinced that what I just wrote is a good idea. I guess instinct or gut feeling would play a big part of that. I suppose that in court if you shot this dude the jury hearing that you produced your weapon and provided sufficient time for him to retreat and he did not would help sway the jury in your behalf. I guess to sum it up: Disparity of force, emminent threat, all reasonable actions to avoid deadly force, lack of other reasonable options. all of this in 2 seconds or less. Sounds like a difficult thing.
    In a gun fight, you can not miss fast enough, to catch up.

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    I now virtually always carry oc, for several reasons.
    1. It gives me an LTL option other than physical confrontation.
    2. Over long time exposure, I have grown tired of physical confrontations.
    3. While I still maintain considerable capabilities, I do not delude myself that they are the level they were in days gone by. Tools, oc being one are a means to offset declining abilities.
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    Depends on what State I'm in.
    I live in Texas if that tells you anything.

    And I don't mind backing away from the situation as fast as I can, that doesn't hurt my feeling.
    If I attacked, well, oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzadik View Post
    If someone continues at you after you've clearly indicated that you are feeling threatened and that you have a firearm
    they are clearly intending you harm or are nuts. But like I said I'd have to know the EXACT circumstances.
    I'm going to do everything I can to avoid it getting that far.
    To me this illustrates why you should never 'show' your firearm, or pull it to warn, because certain people will then DARE you to use it. In fact, I most fear that kind of thing from the teenagers or mobs because they know they are 'kids' and use this to intimidate people, knowing that no adult wants to harm a child. Granted they do it as part of a 'mob' but as soon as you do something, suddenly it's 'MOMMY DADDY, the bad man hurt me for no reason, wah, wah'.

    That's why we have the mantra of avoiding stupid people, doing stupid things in stupid places.

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    Ok I give what is "LTL"?
    In a gun fight, you can not miss fast enough, to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzadik View Post
    I back up with my hands in front of me letting him know I'm intimidated.
    If he takes another step towards me, I'm putting my hand to my weapon and saying that he is "freaking me out" (or some such), all the while retreating.
    If the SOB hasn't the sense to stop adavancing, I'm drawing and firing.

    This just the basics and subject to modifications due the exact situation.

    On another note, I'd hope I was aware enough to avoid him in the first place.
    People do sometimes get the drop on you though.
    I hope you are not saying you would shoot an unarmed man, that would bode badly for you come time to see the DA
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    Sounds like a robbery.


    Answer to query: Step off center, hand on my carry, & say "MOVE AWAY FROM ME, NOW!"
    "Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right." -- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, Re: U.S. vs Emerson (1999)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    That was Fity cent's younger cousin, 20 cent.


    LOL,, that's funny right there. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    I now virtually always carry oc, for several reasons.
    1. It gives me an LTL option other than physical confrontation.
    2. Over long time exposure, I have grown tired of physical confrontations.
    3. While I still maintain considerable capabilities, I do not delude myself that they are the level they were in days gone by. Tools, oc being one are a means to offset declining abilities.
    I need to learn and live this. I just keep fighting hanging another tool on the batman belt.
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    I hear you. If I feel that the usefulness outweighs the inconvenience, I acquiesce.
    "I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".

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    Victim of confrontation:

    Create distance
    Get between the threat and loved ones (wife, children, etc)
    Verbally Diffuse (keep tension as low possible)
    (If they continue to agress) Verbally warn (loud enough for possible witnesses to hear)
    Respond according to their actions be it physical or verbal
    (Level of response should follow the level of threat)

    As a witness:

    Never get involved unless you are willing to commit to situation
    It may help to ask them if they are ok and let them know that you are willing to stand witness to the situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsteveh View Post
    I think that would be a perfect time for me to flash that Concealed Carry Badge that I don't have nor never will.
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    Some of the responses to things on this forum are a bit over the top. I live in the City, yes that is my problem, but I see this daily, get a grip not everyone that may approach you is doing so to cause you grief of some sort. However that doesn’t mean they aren’t, so I always have my wits about me.

    In a case like this one I simply would tell him sorry man I am going to need every penny I got before the day is done. And move on, if he persists I will get more forceful in my response like. I said NO in a louder voice and go from there.

    Trust no one, suspect everyone, till you have evidence otherwise!

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    That's happened to me on several occassions in Central city St. Louis. The state did not have civilian CCW at the time. Beligerant Begger: Say maa, give me dolla. Me: Sure, got change for a twenty, about face and smartly walk off! Worked every time.

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