If you even have to ask, maybe you should reconsider carrying.
If you even have to ask, maybe you should reconsider carrying.
Buy a bottle of 'skin thickener'...:yup:
Now use this stuff daily until comments, gestures, and looks...register nothing in your brain.:scruntiny:
You will find that after continued use, you will have a different mind set.:scratchchin:
Sometimes you have to give people the respect that they do not deserve.:wave:
Life goes on...idiots abound, but just don't get dragged down into their world.:nono:
Stay armed...stay calm...stay safe!:comeandgetsome:
Based on your argument, if they are beating your door in, and you tell them, don't come in here, I have a gun and will shoot you, you are provoking that person and would be in trouble. I don't buy that. If they are unlawfully entering or attempting to enter your home/auto/business your actions are reasonable.Quote:
(b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force
was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is
presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom
the deadly force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to
enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle,
or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to
remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation,
vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
Of course this has little to do with the OP's post, but that didn't really require much discussion, and that question has been more than answered. Although the OP should be aware of the following statutes if he isn't already. Don't go flipping the bird at people or you might find yourself charged with this.
PC §42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public
place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate
breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and
the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the
Let me rephrase part of your description of this situation:
<blockquote>Some guys try to provoke me into a negative reaction. I do exactly what they are hoping I will do.</blockquote>
It is so strange to me that more people don't realize that, when someone uses "fighting words" or gestures, they are trying to manipulate you. Who is weaker, the person who lets someone else manipulate him into a potentially life-threatening or at least life-changing situation, or the person who is not worried about two-dimensional projections of machismo and so cannot be manipulated by such completely transparent BS?
In the martial arts world, you quickly learn that one of the best way to win fights is not with superior strength or technique, but by getting inside the other guy's head and causing him to lose his temper/take action on your terms, not his. This is very similar.
retsup99 sums it up.
Idiots are everywhere.
Not worth the time or energy to bother with.
Somewhere at the beginning of this thread, "In the Gravest Extreme" was recommended.
I bought the book when I first brought a gun in my house as an adult.
(I actually bought and read it before I was of legal age to purchase a handgun in my state).
In my opinion, a must read for anyone who takes on the responsibility of firearms ownership and usage in self defense.
The op MUST change his mindset or they will risk going past the point of no return.
If you reply to an insult that then escalates and there are "witnesses' around, you have a very big problem even if it escalates to the point of using your firearm because of an imminent threat THAT YOU CAUSED. As others have said, if you cannot control yourself even to the worst of taunting, including someone calling your wife an ugly "B" word, you had better not carry.
Yep, you lose. Even if you're unarmed, you lose. By responding you contribute to the escalation...
Good lord, I realize that I have the experience and perspective that comes with age but even in my 20s I wouldnt have responded to a "random" threat from somebody passing by. They dont even know me, why should I care what they think?
If it was something more personal, by my mid-20s I had figured out that ignoring such people generally annoyed them more, so I pretty much left that sort of thing behind.
Granted, estrogen can make us ladies pretty wacky sometimes but testosterone is not always doing you gents any favors either.
(a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
So now we have to go back to 9.31
So the question then becomes by telling him to come on over would the jury believe you are either consenting to that force or provoking him? If so you are back to having to retreat and attempting to end the encounter (if possible to do so safely) and the other party continuing their aggression before you can claim self defense.Quote:
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c);
(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:
I think that is covered by 9.04- Threats as Justifiable ForceQuote:
Based on your argument, if they are beating your door in, and you tell them, don't come in here, I have a gun and will shoot you, you are provoking that person and would be in trouble. I don't buy that. If they are unlawfully entering or attempting to enter your home/auto/business your actions are reasonable.
The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.
I'm in agreement with previous posters, that ignoring it is the only logical choice in this situation. The hassles and risk of the situation getting out of hand are too great and there are no appreciable benefits to engaging the offensive pukes in any way whatsoever.
On another note, I'm ashamed at some of the responses here;
Not to assume anything, but the original poster could be new to firearms, new to self defense with a firearm, new to carrying, or even just unclear on certain (admittedly confusing to some) legal situations where carrying a gun is concerned. Asking the question is the first step towards avoiding any possible legal problems in the future. Flaming someone for asking an honest question is hardly the proper thing to do regardless of the experience or lack on the part of the person asking the question. Engage them in thought provoking conversation... Cite a news report about a similar case that went down somewhere... Answer the question, at the very least... I promise that none of you knew all there was to know about carrying a gun when you decided to start, so please don't bash this man for the same.Quote:
You lose for just asking the question.... Duh. -oakchas
It's kinda scary that you even had to ask the question -WHEC724
If you even have to ask, maybe you should reconsider carrying. -OldVet
Don't let them get under your skin. I get flipped off pretty regularly! I'm a truck driver hauling fuel. I'm big, slow and always in the way of somebody in a hurry. You just can't let people get to you. When that happens you can make some really big mistakes. In my business that means you either lose your job or die. Neither one sounds like a good option!
Pay attention to what's going on around you but don't let people push your buttons.
However, I think there might have been some variance on what would happen if you were engaged in a phone conversation and told them to come over ect. If you meet them at the roadside, I think it would be much difference scenario than say if you stayed in your home with the door locked ect, and they started entering your home unlawfully. If you meet them at the curb, I agree you probably just screwed yourself. I think if you're in your home you would be perfectly justified even if you mouthed off on the telephone. Not suggesting that is a good thing to do.
You ever watch Animal Planet shows on rattlesnakes? think of yourself as a rattlesnake. You have way better ways of using your venom (like on a bunny rabbit) than some drunken back-woods yokel who is only trying to impress his buddies. But only if you absolutely have to....you let 'em have it.