This is a discussion on Child At Your Door In The Middle Of The Night within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Guantes I would not consider estimating the BG's armament on the words of a scared child wise. Nor would I. I was ...
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First and foremost. Is the child alone? Is this a setup? Before the door opens I make sure. Now with that being said.
Kid inside protection provided. 911 called. Armor on, Rifle up take position of cover outside and wait and see.
When LEO arrives assist and backup as needed or wanted.
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Well currently, I'm living with my parents, and my dad is perfectly capable of handling a gun (he was in the Navy and used to hunt, gave it up when he became a dad) so if I decided to lend a hand things would be covered on the home front. I know I'm not a police officer, but I would just have a hard time doing nothing while someone got killed. I know there are a thousand ways it could end very badly, but I don't think I could not act.
We didn't have 911 until a few years ago. (Yep we're rural)
My neighbors who live about 1/4 away were having marriage issues and I could literally hear fights & screaming sometimes while I was inside my home. The two kids were friends of my childrens and I told them that if they ever got to scared at home they should come over to our house. (TG it never happened and the husband moved out in a couple of months.)
But, my plan was to bring the children inside my home & call the sheriff office. I was going to leave the kids with my wife & meet the deputies on the road that runs in front of our property. This way I could observe to see if anyone left the neighbors home while we waited for leo.
I grew up in an abusive household & we had to run to the neighbors on several occassions. I prayed that someone (ANYONE) whould step in and stop my stepfather from abusing us. But, nobody ever stepped in; and back then DV was not taken seriously like it is today. Thank GOD, neither of my stepfathers killed my mom. But, she did experience some bad beatings & extreme terror.
For this reason, I honestly do NOT think I could should sit & wait quietly if I thought my neighbor was killing his wife; especially, if the kids where crying & begging me to save their mom. (I'm just glad I never had to make that decision.)
Like the majority have said, get the child in doors to safety and bolt the door and call 911. At that point My pistol would go in the holster as I retrieved my shotgun. Protection of myself and my family is my first concern. I'll feel bad for the child if his family dies, but my family would feel bad if I attempt to intervene and die.
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Harvey Family of four murdered in home invasion, New Years Day 2006, Richmond, Va, It's believed the suspects were in the house when the older daughter was dropped off after an over night stay at a friends house, Mom stood in the doorway and waived to the other mom returning her child. Most likely threatened by the intruders of harm to her other daughter and husband. I cant' imagine having to make that decision, take one daughter and run knowing it would mean death for the other child and spouse vs. the hope that they might not kill everyone. This is exactly why I carry at home as well as out n about.
My point here is to suggest that saving the one you can is better than loosing everyone. Now it's my family's fight as much as it's theirs, I would have to ensure the safety of the one's that I know are safe rather then risk loosing everyone. I guess I'm in the take the child in and hunker down and call the cavalry group on this one.
If It were my child that made it to the neighbors house, I would want them to protect MY child rather than come after me and risk his safety any further.
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Been there, done that. Mom, daughter banging on door at 3 am saying someone broke in and raped girl and other kids are still in house. I charged in with nothing more than a Maglight in hand while wife called 911. Maybe it's just me, but I think kids are worth defending no matter what. Bright side is that it was only a hoax by the girl who was having issues. All the cops said was, "Man, that wasn't smart, but good for you."
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Take the child in call 911 watch for any motion activated perimeter lights to go off,since I sleep with a loaded 1911 and SA 12 gauge,give the wife the shotgun and put them in an interior room retrieve my CAR 15 from inside the closet with 60 rounds onboard,try to get as much info from child as possible to relay to first responders,check child for any injuries that may need bandaged,or direct pressure to stop bleeding
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It seems there is quite a consensus here that the best course of action is to stay inside and call 911. I'd like to point out some other things. For one thing, I would not dare run over there in my bathrobe or undressed. By the time I could get proper clothes and shoes on, the police would likely arrive since the police station is not far from my home. However, I can assure you once the information has been processed, I'd be getting dressed as quickly as possible. In fact, I always leave my clothes from the day before next to my bed in case I need to put them on in a hurry for such a situation. My wife finds this practice very irritating, even though I always throw them in the hamper the next morning when I get dressed with fresh clothes. I just figure it is much faster to grab the clothes in the floor than it is to run to my closet and pick out clothes.
I would point out that many of my family members live on the same street that I do. So that changes the perspective for me a little. Although none of them have small children except for me. But lets say my mother shows up at the door and is saying there are bad guys in their house and my father is still over there. Well, that being the case I'm going to have her or my wife run to the phone and call 911, I'm going to get dressed as quickly as humanly possible, and I'm going to grab my Glock 19, and head outside. My wife can hold the fort with her gun if somebody tries to come into our house while I'm out. If the police haven't arrived yet for whatever reason, I'm going to attempt to judge the situation, look through windows, etc.. If there is something I can do, I'm going to try.
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There is no way I would fort up and stay home. I live rural and LE time would be 30 minutes to 1 hour. I would take child in make sure my wife and child where in the safe room and armed. Then with light pistol, rifle and cell phone I would be off. I not just going to charge the house and door but I would go to do all I could think to do.
OP said BG with knife, if it was a husband wife dispute them I see about all one could do would be to try and keep them from killing each other and wait the hour. I know my neighbor if I see someone else with a knife and they mean to do harm them it is time for action. We live in an area and still in the time frame that we still care and help each other out. Its pretty much if you see something wrong you take care of it the same as if it was your own and then let them know when you see them next.
The billions that Obama wants for cops will not put a cop in my pocket so anything done around my house will just have to be done personally.
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While I would love to say I would go do the hero thing, I am in the camp of get the kid inside, call 911, go to the safe room, arm up and hunker down til the coast is clear. Depending on timing, clothes may be optional - PJs may just have to work.
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I too would be handing off spare gun to Mrs.HK calling 911, giving descripition of myself as I would be running over to see (a) if somebody was still inside or (b) helping the injuried.