You decide to act, which threat do you stop first?
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October 28th, 2011 06:24 AM
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You decide to act, which threat do you stop first?
A small cell phone business 5 blocks from my house was robbed at gunpoint recently in the early afternoon. Two men in Halloween masks, both holding handguns.
BG #1 seems calm (not his first rodeo) and demanding the cash and used cell phones be placed in duffel bag.
BG #2 is visibly shaking and acting really nervous (definitely his first rodeo).
Small hole in the wall strip mall retail space. "L" shaped counter around 2 walls and open empty floor space. Both BGs in front of you and the register, about 3-5 feet apart. No other customers in the shop.
You decide to act, you are the clerk behind the counter, this is your small business, you are in fear for your life. Who is your first target and why?
For the sake of argument, the register faces one side wall, and it's brick - minimal worries about whats behind your target.
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Hit my limit for speculation, the sky is falling, and gun owners fighting amongst themselves.
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October 28th, 2011 06:24 AM
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October 28th, 2011 06:41 AM
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You have decided to act....................Is your life worth whatever they are going to take when the odds are two to one and both have their guns out ? There is always a chance that one or both will decide to shoot but not probable under your scenario.
Now to answer your question as asked. As Josie Wales said,"The one with the the crazy eyes".
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October 28th, 2011 06:46 AM
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OK. Crazy eyes may freeze, or pull the trigger prematurely. Calm guy is a bit more focused on the situation.
Maybe ask the calm BG to have his twitchy partner either put the gun away, take is finger off the trigger, or point it elsewhere?
Wouldn't engaging in that type of dialogue throw them out of there OODA (?) loop and present an opportunity?
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October 28th, 2011 07:18 AM
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'You have decided to act............'
Alrighty, I go for the closest one. Crazy-eyes or calm, it's game-time and neither are 'expecting' a gunfight. Turn on the lights and the vermin scatter. I have surprise going for me so I'm taking aimed shots, not spraying 'n praying. When in a hurry, take your time. That advice sounds good but this is a very fluid and dynamic situation......don't shoot customers or passers-by
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October 28th, 2011 07:30 AM
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Based on the scenario as written, I would go for the one who is calm first. A person who is visibly shaking may or may not hit his target when and if he fires. The calm guy appears to be the one in charge and may become rattle himself when the shooting starts. If he gives up the fight and runs, the one who is already shaking will follow him. The person who is already visibly shaking will not become calm when the shooting starts.
I really don't like the odds of one person against two, shaking or not, but since it was written that I had already decided to act, that's the way I would play it.
"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come." ~ Confucius
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October 28th, 2011 07:46 AM
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October 28th, 2011 07:59 AM
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"Power is when you have every justification to kill someone, and then you don't." But the one thats shaking would be more likely to give up when doo-doo hits the fan. When you're under stress this will most likely be a thought process that simply will not happen. rooty tooty aim and shooty
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October 28th, 2011 08:15 AM
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I am going for the calm one. After he see the lead BG dead he is either (a) going to drop the gun and head for the door (b) fire 1 shot just because his finger was on the trigger and then head for the door. Should not be to hard to find later on follow the trail of poop running down his leg.
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October 28th, 2011 08:18 AM
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MOVE as I draw putting BG1 between me and BG2 shoot BG1 and as he drops continue firing into BG2
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October 28th, 2011 09:14 AM
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I'll give them what they ask for. I'm not getting into a shootout unless I have a gut feeling they're gonna shoot me first. Now when they turn to exit the store.........................
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October 28th, 2011 09:19 AM
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Under this situation, acting will more than likely get you killed.
Your odds of surviving are slim with one gunman, almost non exiisting with two guns trained on you.
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October 28th, 2011 09:31 AM
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Closest one to me when the party starts!
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October 28th, 2011 09:37 AM
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Give BG # 1 the new BlackBerry cell phone and while he's trying figure out why there's no service, shoot BG # 2, then tell BG#1 he can keep the phone, but he needs to drop his gun.
Seriously though.. Like it's been said.. Two guns pointed at you, and one is in the hands of a highly nervous individual... Give um what you think will do to get um outa the store and leave everyone unharmed. Hopefully you're insured and a few hundred dollars and a few run of the mill cell phones aren't worth getting killed over IMO.
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October 28th, 2011 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by
Hiram25
Closest one to me when the party starts!
Lets get this party started! LOL.
Im going for the closest, who is probably the calm one any way.
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October 28th, 2011 09:43 AM
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Too many variables,it's a trick question!
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