Having a CCW does not make you a super hero or a LEO, thus it does not require you to involve yourself in ongoing crimes.
Stay alert, stay alive and be a good witness.
Staying alive may mean taking some action other than hiding behind a desk.
Gun pointed at someone else does not equal immediate threat of death or bodily harm to myself or my family. Therefore I will sit back, observe and be a good witness. No Spidey suit under my clothes.
You're sitting in the parking lot of a convenience store. You're carrying. You see a masked man, armed, enter the store. Clearly it's robbery. Do you exit your vehicle and enter the store to stop the robbery because you are armed and it's you "duty" and "obligation" to do so?
Only if you're a fool.
You should simply call 911 if you feel so obligated.
Too many foolish people running around with HCP's thinking they are "sheepdogs" (the single most ridiculous word I have ever heard). As I said in previous threads, I'm not my brothers keeper nor am I responsible for anyone other than myself and my household. My HCP was acquired so that I could carry in order to protect myself and immediate family should the need arise.
It (a HCP) is not a license to become an honorary crime fighter.
Many need to realize this.
Render aid to victim, then render aid to DB.
Edit: Preserve evidence and identify witnesses.
Additional Edit: Under the circumstances described in the OP I would have no problem shooting the BG in the back without issuing him a challenge.
Once the bullets start flying, quick and decisive action is needed. Every second you delay enables the bad guy to consolidate control and he has already demonstrated complete lack of regard for human life when he shot the first person.
We aren't talking about preventing a theft at this point, we are talking about stopping a murderer in the middle of executing his crime.
What are you going to do? Wait to see who's next?
I guess that is where I don't consider it heroism. What is the difference here, helping someone who has a gun to their head, and helping someone who is trapped in a raging river of water from a hurricane? Some opt to jump in and try to help, others choose to sit on the bank and hope the person can hold out long enough.
I never think of myself as a cop, I never try to police anyone for anything. I let them do what it is they want to do lawlessly or not until it becomes a life or death threat against myself or someone near me. Policemen aren't protectors of life, they are enforcers of law. I think every person on this planet has at least some small humanitarian duty to help someone else in a life or death situation.
In TN, shooting to protect a third party from death or severe bodily harm is legal.
And save "head shots" for the movies, unless the BG is wearing body armor.
I am not going to stand idly by and watch numerous innocent people get executed.
And yes, my cell phone will be in my left hand.
That is unimaginably selfish.Quote:
So long as the gun isn't trained on me, as many as he wants. I have 0 obligation to save the masses. My name isn't Jesus.
I wish there was a way to easily identify people with your attitude.
It would be nice to know who to help and who to ignore.
My point is and will remain that I am not obligated to feel responsible to use my weapon to protect/save others. Too many people, who usually wouldn't so much as help a heart attack victim, suddenly feel that they now have a HCP and a handgun and for some self dillussional reasons now believe they must and will spring into action against any wrong doing that they observe. Absurd.
I have known too many "good samaritans" who have done prison time or atleast lost everything in court...or both. Don't kid yourself by thinking that when you blow away the BG who killed an innocent shopper that every LEO/lawyer/DA/judge will pat you on the back and call you a hero.
When I draw my weapon to stop a threat, it will he a threat directed towards me and mine. If I'm getting sued or going to prison...it will dang well be for protecting my life or the lives of my girls or wife. It WON'T be for "manning up" and trying to protect some Mr or Mrs Joe Blow.....who had every opportunity to get their own HCP, same as me.
Giving (charity) doesn't get you dead, imprisoned, sued.
If I wanted to be armed and be tasked with protecting/liberating people on command I would have joined the military. Oh wait, did that.
If I wanted to be armed and tasked with protecting the general public from themselves and others for a living I would have become a LEO. Oh wait, yup did that too.
As a private citizen I am only responsible for myself, my wife and my two children. Amazing how difficult this concept seems for some of you to grasp.
You must he a "sheepdog" huh? Lmao.