The chances of something like this happening is probably incalculable. I have never heard of it happening.... ever. Two concealed carry friends ending up in a standoff with a hostage taker who just happens to grab a relative or close friend? That is something for Hollywood, to be quite frank. I'm sure something similar may have happened in a law enforcement setting at some time but civilian? I understand that there is still value in thinking about the scenario which is why I participated but I also realize that this scenario exceptionally remote.
That being said, you are not the spectator. Nor is your friend or your familiar hostage. Nor is the waitress or the guy on the street. You are all in the situation together and all part of the dynamic. You have choices, including negotiation, distraction and so much more. You are only a spectator if you choose to be. Granted, your active participation may do more harm than good but that's a risk you take, just like with everything else.
First of all, no one can say who can survive an encounter and who can't. Every scenario is different and your friend could survive while you don't. You just don't know.Quote:
or what if our friend is by himself? Do we assume the guilt if he is gunned down or misses the shot and hits someone else because we know he could not survive the encounter? We are our brothers keepers folks when it comes to this subject, now how far we jump into this is an individual choice.
And I have to disagree with you about the "brother's keeper" thing.
I guess everyone must individually decide what they think of as "being a brother's keeper," but to me, if I took responsibility for every single one of my friend's decisions I would never sleep at night. And I have friends and family that are making FAR more important decisions in their life than whether or not they are training with their firearms.
I have friends/family deciding on marriage, infidelity, childcare, divorce, abuse, finances, etc, etc, etc. These are things that are going to affect them far more than whether or not they watch a training DVD. I can no more take responsibility for their wrong choices in those areas than I can for their choices about training.
I can counsel them, I can encourage them, I can work with them and offer them help just like I could in any other area of their life but the ultimate decision is their own and I cannot take responsibility for that else I start forgetting my own place and responsibilities.
I think you can sit down and talk to them but letting something like that come between a good friendship? That, I believe , is going overboard.Quote:
sit them down and talk to them. "I know this is awkward but you really need to do more with your training before you hurt yourself or someone else" "It is really straining our friendship".
Maybe some people have so many close friends in such abundance that they don't care if they loose one or maybe my definition of friend is a little more strict but the close friends I have who I actually go out with and spend time with and confide in are very valuable to me. I rely on them for help and support and care in many other areas of my life and to let something like defensive training come between us just seems very silly and small minded to me. (No offense)
Again, in reality the likelihood of having to use your firearm in self defense is slim. Slimmer still if you smart and observant.Quote:
I realize that even then some will still not go to classes, not watch the dvd's, or go shooting so now if you choose to be around them you have to increase your skill level, your SA, your mindset as you have now adopted a muppet with a gun and when you are around them you become their protector should you choose to do so.
Yes, you have a choice as to whether you are going to become your friend's "protector" but I'm not sure why you would have to increase your SA or mindset any more than what you should already be striving for.
You have no way of knowing how ready someone else is.
I haven't fired a gun in seven months. It will probably be at least another month or two before I will be able to go back to training. I still carry a gun. Some "good friend" who has been able to spend the last seven months training and practicing might look at me as more of a liability than an asset right now but I still have the right to defend myself. And, quite frankly, I'd be REALLY ticked off if someone thought they could try to evaluate my readiness and how much I should hang around them because of THEIR perception of my ability (or lack thereof).