Followed Home After Bar Altercation

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    -Do not go home-
    -Do not go to anyone's house you know-
    -If you believe you are being followed, play amateur spy. Most people do not know how to tail and give themselves away easily
    -Call 911 and head to the most public place you can. If you are out in the hinterland, work with the dispatcher to try and set up a running meet with local LE
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    Quote Originally Posted by adric22 View Post
    You know, it is funny how many people have said to drive to a police station. Well, I've always heard the same thing all my life. The thing is, something similar to this happened to me when I was 16, which was back around 1992. This was in the time before cell phones. I was being followed due to a traffic altercation (which to this day I believe was their fault). Driving to a police station was the first thing that came to mind. Only I shortly realized I didn't actually know where a police station was. I'd never really had a reason to go to one.

    What ended up solving this problem for me was a BB gun. A the time I had a $20 BB pistol in my car which was a very bad imitation of a 1911. It wouldn't hold up to scrutiny closer than about 6 feet. I stopped at a traffic light and they pulled up next to me. I really couldn't see inside their vehicle as they had very dark tint. But it appeared there was more than one of them in there. I pulled out the BB gun and held it up in a position that might look like I was racking the slide (although the slide didn't really move on this one) As soon as they saw that, they sped off as fast as they could and that was the end of it. My bluff worked. I was quite relieved.

    Ahhh, the old Marksman BB repeater pistol, shot pellets and darts too! Had one myownself back when I was a kid... Kinda did look like a 1911... spring gun... deadly at 5 inches, to flies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Even if it is legal in your state, why would anyone go to a bar armed? You can't drink, and you will only be surrounded by idiots looking for trouble. Seems like your scenario is 100% avoidable, don't go.

    Sort of how I know I won't be eaten by a shark, I keep my white hiney out the ocean!
    In Indiana it is legal to drink and be armed as long as you do not exceed .08 BAC
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    Try to stick to the basic purpose of the scenario. OK so...it's not a bar...it's a pizza shop & you upset some drunk guys in a pizza shop.
    And BTW...In PA. (where the OP resides) You can legally go into a bar armed and you can legally imbibe alcoholic beverages when you are armed but, that is not the topic of this thread.




    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Even if it is legal in your state, why would anyone go to a bar armed? You can't drink, and you will only be surrounded by idiots looking for trouble. Seems like your scenario is 100% avoidable, don't go.

    Sort of how I know I won't be eaten by a shark, I keep my white hiney out the ocean!

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    That's when my address changes to the same as the local sheriff's dept., which is actually right down the street from my home. Hopefully the idiots stupidity continues to ooze forth and before they are aware of anything, a Deputy sees what's going on.. Of course I'd have given the Deputy a little help with a phone call while in route
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    Well, like others have said, lets not bring them home to meet the wife and kiddies. If you know they are following you, don't return home. Call police on your cell phone. Circumstances are really going to have to dictate what happens next.

    I try not to get out of the car, but if they try to force me off the road, I'm not going to play chicken with them. I may have to locate a strategic place to stop the car and bail out to engage them from a more advantageous position. I'm always carrying a hi-capacity pistol with spare reloads and usually a BUG so getting to position of cover I'd rather engage them outside my car than keep trading paint while going down the road.

    Again, it just depends on how things develop. I have pretty good evasive driving skills and been through several emergency vehicle driving courses on the skid pan, bootleg and J-turns, and been in vehicles, with tire blow-out mechanism so I feel pretty competent in the car. But if they are persistent, I don't want to be rammed and end up in an uncontrolled collision where I'm too injured to fight.

    I always travel with a cell phone so chances are better than even I'll likely be able to call for help and keep things under control until the police can meet us on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    In Indiana it is legal to drink and be armed as long as you do not exceed .08 BAC
    Same here they just passed that law; before that there was no regulation.
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    First stay out of Bars!,secondly never drive straight home after a confrotation(how stupid is that,showing someone where you live),drive to a Police station,Fire Dept.........,Alway's Check your SIX!!!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    You upset a bunch of drunk guys at the bar.

    Three of them follow you home shouting threats and coming close to you but never making contact.

    You are armed, how would you react in this scenario, assume you are in this situation and don't respond with what you would have done to avoid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    You upset a bunch of drunk guys at the bar.

    Three of them follow you home shouting threats and coming close to you but never making contact.

    You are armed, how would you react in this scenario, assume you are in this situation and don't respond with what you would have done to avoid it.
    Well there you go. Should have avoided the bar to begin with.
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    Give them a gun and let them shoot you. Stupid hurts.

    Stay out of bars and avoid drunk people. It should be a no brainer for CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    Even if it is legal in your state, why would anyone go to a bar armed? You can't drink, and you will only be surrounded by idiots looking for trouble. Seems like your scenario is 100% avoidable, don't go.

    Sort of how I know I won't be eaten by a shark, I keep my white hiney out the ocean!
    Really? It's cool if you're a teetotaler, but let's not exaggerate. I know "bars" have a bad rap, but let's get real. I travel globally. I have been in pubs, bars, roadhouses, clubs, juke joints, boozers, blind pigs, taverns, brewpubs, gin shops, casinos, wine bars, and numerous other places.

    The bartender at my local pub has a college degree, and the owner is a graduate of the Culinary Institute of America. English pubs can be great fun. The Turf Tavern in Oxford is mostly faculty and staff from the local Oxford colleges. I had a scintillating conversation over beers there one day.

    I enjoy heading out to the bar for a drink (unarmed), and I have rarely experienced the people you cite. You must only know about the seedy places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    You upset a bunch of drunk guys at the bar.

    Three of them follow you home shouting threats and coming close to you but never making contact.

    You are armed, how would you react in this scenario, assume you are in this situation and don't respond with what you would have done to avoid it.
    Call 911 and drive to the nearest police station

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    I Agree dont go home.

    Ill tell you a quick story when I first bought my first new to me truck 98 F150 ext cab lifted with mudders. I was driving in a hurry and the car on the far right lane with his blinker turning left so I jumped on the dirt and went right since I was in a rush the guy followed me for a few miles (I was out of high school and grew up with a lot of "unfriendly" people at the time) They were cussing at me trying to throw their taurus at my truck and driving on the wronge side of the road. I called a buddy (I was still in high school about to graduate wasnt thinking clearly obviously) to get ready for a fight and I was being followed. As I start heading that way they throw a bottle at my truck and leave. I call my friends and they just say ok and thats it. From my understanding my buddy called a few "unsociable" people we knew who were waiting for me to shoot into the driveway.

    Thats why my new favorite quote is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeejib View Post
    My lawyer constantly reminds me: intent is everything.
    Would you please elaborate ...

    In response to the question, deescalation, even by pay off, would be first option. Never underestimate the value of saved face. Failing that driving to a police or fire station is your best bet. Perhaps you can even get the attention of a police office on the road. Under no circumstance would I knowingly allow them to follow me home. To do so would be inviting them to plan a response at their leisure. If you don't know where a police station is, an alternative would be some brightly lit public place with a lot of (sober) people. As far as defending yourself with a weapon, the OP stated 3 on 1, which except for extreme circumstances would meet the criteria of disparity of force. If I had a less than lethal alternatives, I would consider using them first, but this would also depend on the bad guys demeanor and whether or not they have any weapons. Keep in mind that the witness testimony may be what hangs or saves you so you don't want to appear to be the aggressor or freak the public out by being an MWAG. Being on the phone with 911 if possible and as quickly as possible would be prudent as being the one to file the complain sets the stage for you to be the good guy.

    My wife (GF at the time) was once followed by someone on her way home from work. Upon noticing it, she started heading in the direction of the police station. As soon as they realized the direction she was heading, they sped off in another direction.

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