This is a discussion on Dog Attack - Would you draw? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Gene83 Having been attacked by a dog before, I'll offer this one bit of advice. If he attacks and you don't already ...
Hey NY: That is why you carry potent bear spray. Easy to carry, not a CC problem, and WILL cause a dog to rethink since it will do that to a bear at 25-30 ft. Serrated knife, baton--also welcome
In my personal experience when walking I have found a cane to be invaluable for warding off rude pets. The animals either will bite my cane or turn and run when I present it to them. I have not needed my firearm yet but I have it ready if needed.
Off Topic: I find many of the posts on these dog threads very similar to threads where a shop owner shoots a teenage robber. We hear the one side proclaiming the teenager was not at fault because of poor upbringing. Or that he would not have really harmed the shop owner.
The other side jumping in proclaiming the shop owner should be able to protect himself and that it is not his responsibility to know what is in the mind of his attacker.
Would hate to do it but yes I would, especially if I had my kids with me. Living in Cali we often hear about deadly pitbull attacks all of the time.
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As soon as it starts the pepper gel is in my hand,he gets within 3-4 ft and still coming=Blast in the face. "Sorry about Fido Pal,maybe you should keep him inside untill he learns better manners". I then report to the cops what happened in case the owner tries to start something that he`ll be sorry for. Would hate to hurt an animal though But.
I carry a handgun. I do not carry anything else "less-than-lethal". If a dog charges I am clearing leather and firing until the threat is stopped. Simple.
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Pet owners and pet lovers don't want Roscoe ventilated?
1. Be a responsible pet owner.
2. KNOW your animal and it's temperment.
3. Control your animal by any means neccessary.
4. DO NOT own an animal that you cannot control 100% of the time.
I generally drive dogs off with a good offense. Kicking does wonders as long as you have good boots and placement. They vector like crap so side-stepping works well. Dogs hate getting kicked by size 13 work boots.
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Originally Posted by Gene83 Having been attacked by a dog before, I'll offer this one bit of advice. If he attacks and you don't already have the gun in your hand, you probably won't have time to get it before he gets you.
Even if you're walking you have to be downwind (spraying with the wind) or you'll get it in your face. I had several non-lethal items available during a walk with a weighted cart the other day and this woman's dog was snarling and yapping and straining to get to me, and by the time I thought about getting the spray out of the cart, turning the lever and spraying it, even though I saw him from down the road, it was too late. Fortunately, she reeled him in after letting him get about three feet from me.
At 20 feet you probably have 2 seconds to do anything. I think the best way to train for dog attacks (if you're not getting field experience as a postman, policeman, or guard dog/military), is to experience one using an attack suit, train using a moving target coming toward you (a quickly pulled burlap sack filled with sand on a rope?) possibly starting with an air-soft gun to get down the point shooting, muzzle tracking.
I wouldn't draw and shoot unless 100% necessary, same as a human attack. Dog's will generally back down against a good fight. They're more offensive than defensive in their attacks. Even with a dog like a German Shepherd shooting may not be needed. I think pepper spray is a much better defense against a dog than even shooting it.
I've been charged by a dog before, WAY long before I started carrying, I was maybe 17 years old. I did what I knew would make it feel uncomfortable. I squared up with it and did not run. I didn't show fear. It stopped dead, barked a few times pretty viciously then trotted away. Maybe I was lucky, but I feel what I did worked. I certainly didn't want to hurt the dog.
I think the GSD was more interested in your dog than you, and while that doesn't make things much better, risking hitting your own dog with a bullet isn't worth it. There is the 21 foot role, but than applies to the average joe. Not an 85lb, vicious machine. He'd be at you before your brain even send the signal to you arm to draw. Pepper spray would be the best weapon against an animal with such a sensitive nose. Your dog will get a does of the spray, but who cares? It will stop the attack and is far from lethal.
I feel pepper spray is FAR more useful on dogs then people. People can fight it, and have pretty easily. Dog's with their sensitivity in their nose will want nothing to do with pepper spray, plus they hate a fight.
If a firearm is what you have and it's a must, then yes. If you have options, I'd rather use a non-lethal defense first, whether that's kicking, hitting with a cane, fists, peppery spray, anything. It's not like an attack from a BG where you have a chance of getting away. You run from a dog, well, unless you're near a tree or can easily gain high ground than a dog can't, you're screwed. Defense against humans and dogs are SO different, it's not a simple aim and shoot against any type of living being. Different animals, humans included act differently when confronted. Situations will vary greatly.
Most times, from what I've seen personally, most dog attacks are a bluff. I've seen enough "dog attacks" to know that most attacks are nothing more than to show dominance with superior strength and that's it. We have a GSD and another dog. I don't even know what he is. Our neighbors seem to have a hard time keeping their dogs in their yards. Well, my dogs are bigger and stronger (GSD being 100lbs+ and the other over 80lbs) than any of the neighbors dogs. Any scuffle they've been in never results in injuries, even if the fight is absurdly unbalanced in favor of my dogs. This is just my experience, and by no means am I say to take a dog attack lightly. Dog attacks are rarely "attacks".