How Fast It Happens

How Fast It Happens

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    How Fast It Happens

    Dash Cam video from Lafayette, Indiana.

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    Bad guy bails from car at 2:40 - first defensive shots fired at 2:44. Officer is stabbed in the face and does not get off a shot. 10 shots fired by other officers, 7 hitting bad guy. Even after taking 7 hits, the bad guy is still in the fight... Taser call at 2:59.
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    Yes, that happened real quick. I hope the officer makes a full recovery. Intensity of this attack makes me want to practice my drawstroke for about an hour. There are some severely twisted people in this world.
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    Really shows how strange some peoples thought processes are by reading some of the responses on the news story site. How can you not think the cops were justified in using deadly force in that situation is beyond me. Maybe they should of just asked him nicely to stop stabbing a cop in the face and wait for him to comply without using force or hurting his feelings!

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    I saw no problem with making that knife fighting dirtbag a lead magnet...he quickly 'earned' his own end.
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    I hope the BG enjoy rotting in hell for eternity. Shooting is too good for him. If I had my way he would be slowly fed feet first into a chipper/shredder.
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    It can happen wery quickly indeed. The article makes no mention of Officer Dombkowski's status. I hope that he is doing well.

    This proves that even w/ hits that can LATER cause death, a motivated perp w/ bad intentions can be a SERIOUS threat.
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    LOL at the comment! "Planet of the apes??" LOL! I hope he does well in recovery, however I hope the dirt bag is enjoying the "heat"

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    Couldn't happen to a nicer dirtbag.
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    Taser? Sorry but I would have shot him again.

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    Prayers sent out to the LEO hurt...... im surprised he didnt get the dog out quickly to face the BG, it took him[BG] a few seconds to get out the car after it crashed

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    That was scary as hell. I hope the officer makes a full recovery. Too bad the officer didn't mow him down with the squad car before he got stabbed.

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    That reminds of an incident that happened in the high school that I work at. A student violated the dress code of no hats on when inside. A vice-principal removed the hat with the local LEO liason officer present. The officer made incidental contact trying to calm the student down, and he got punched and then tackled.

    It took three people to get the kid off of the officer. He's now facing criminal charges, and he will be expelled shortly. Over a baseball cap. It boggles my mind.

    When things go bad, they can go bad really fast. I hope the officer recovers fully.

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    Tell the BG I said "BY". Hope the LEO recovers!.

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    I watched the video.. several times. I would imagine the officers already had guns drawn on this guy before he got out of the car, even though you can't see it in the video. I'm simply basing this on other LEO encounters I've seen. That being the case, the thing that most likely caused the delay was simply the LEO's waiting to ascertain the motive of the BG. As we all know, police are under a different set of rules than ordinary citizens. They can't just start shooting the guy without knowing 100% that he is attacking them. While I would have started shooting the moment I saw him getting out of the car with a knife, they probably had to wait longer.

    Even in an attack against an ordinary citizen I would say recognition of the threat takes far more valuable time than actually drawing a weapon and firing. Just like we learned in driver's ed about braking time vs. reaction time. Same principle applies. Most of us won't draw our weapon in public until something happens that is unquestionably appropriate for it. Most of us aren't going to draw because we see something suspicious.

    That being the case, rather than going home and practicing your draw for an hour, I suspect it would be better to spend more time training your mind to recognize threats faster, have better self-awareness, because I believe the value of those things far outweighs the value of your draw time. It is my hope that should anything ever go down around me, I'll have already had my hand on my weapon before the BG makes his move. However, unlike the police in this video, I'll be shooting the guy at the first hint of a weapon and aggression towards me.

    On a slightly different note.. Was this guy in the video insane? Drugged up? What? I can't imagine anyone jumping out of a car with a knife and attacking a bunch of police officers unless he was suicidal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adric22 View Post
    I watched the video.. several times. I would imagine the officers already had guns drawn on this guy before he got out of the car, even though you can't see it in the video. I'm simply basing this on other LEO encounters I've seen. That being the case, the thing that most likely caused the delay was simply the LEO's waiting to ascertain the motive of the BG. As we all know, police are under a different set of rules than ordinary citizens. They can't just start shooting the guy without knowing 100% that he is attacking them. While I would have started shooting the moment I saw him getting out of the car with a knife, they probably had to wait longer.

    Even in an attack against an ordinary citizen I would say recognition of the threat takes far more valuable time than actually drawing a weapon and firing. Just like we learned in driver's ed about braking time vs. reaction time. Same principle applies. Most of us won't draw our weapon in public until something happens that is unquestionably appropriate for it. Most of us aren't going to draw because we see something suspicious.

    That being the case, rather than going home and practicing your draw for an hour, I suspect it would be better to spend more time training your mind to recognize threats faster, have better self-awareness, because I believe the value of those things far outweighs the value of your draw time. It is my hope that should anything ever go down around me, I'll have already had my hand on my weapon before the BG makes his move. However, unlike the police in this video, I'll be shooting the guy at the first hint of a weapon and aggression towards me.

    On a slightly different note.. Was this guy in the video insane? Drugged up? What? I can't imagine anyone jumping out of a car with a knife and attacking a bunch of police officers unless he was suicidal.
    Agreed. Realizing the threat far outweighs your quick draw capabilities. You make a mistake and draw to soon, that can't be taken back. You make a mistake and draw to late, you're dead. Knowing when is the appropriate time is the most important factor. Now, how to practice this is NOT easy. Unless you're in life threatening scenario's daily, it's not something that's easy to practice.

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