This is a discussion on Angry Customer whips out an AK-47 within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by dukalmighty To be perfectly honest,If I was involved in towing vehicles,my gun wouldn't be in a lockbox,and I would probably even keep ...
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Let me understand this.
Angry customer opens fire with an AK then leaves to go get another gun, comes back then fires into the room a second time. then goes to his car. At this time the man gets his handgun out of the lock box.
WHAT was he doing after the man quit firing his AK and walked out to his car. Plenty of time to obtain the gun in the lock box between the the last AK round fired and the first Handgun round fired.
Even if he thought the gunman was through YOU NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING IS OVER UNTIL IT IS OVER
My comment on the video: they had a gun int he office and it took them THAT LONG to actually put it to use? After the first round came through the wall I would have been making my way to the gun and putting rounds back at the scum bag.
Any bets the impound lot had a no firearms policy for the employees?
My money is on the shock factor of the active shooter kind of blocked the fact that there was a locked up handgun in the office for the manager.
Looked more like an SKS than an AK, but it's a crappy vid, and according to the media, it's always an AK.
Agreed, lucky manager for not getting popped by the LEO when he came back around the front of the Blazer after the BG was down. Might have known him personally and recognized him.
Hit my limit for speculation, the sky is falling, and gun owners fighting amongst themselves.
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Yes, risky to get involved in an ongoing firefight with police on the scene but in truth they were probably hyper focused on the threat and the manager was coming from their blind side. A better solution in my mind is to have the handgun on your belt all the time and have a rifle or shot gun with slugs to hand. A rifle would have allowed the manager to fire from concealment (not cover) while giving the range and accuracy needed. Interesting scenario. It might also have been possible to effect a disarm when the perp had his forearm through the window. Although that would be riskier.
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Duk's right... There's no back door... at least in my layout... there must be (code required), But I didn't see it in the vid. It was probably blocked by coatracks, shelving and the stuff piled up everywhere. It's a box canyon ambush without clear egress.
You've got an active shooter, with a weapon that is penetrating outside walls... AK/SKS/howitzer or tater gun, it don't matter... you've got to take cover low, and hope you can get to the "armory" of one gun in a lock box... when there's a lull in the fusillade.
The cop prolly did know the manager of the tow yard... if they did any municipal towing.. and that's why he didn't get shot at... That, and his raised hand...
If you were carrying, the best thing to do would have been to go out the back door... with a portable phone on 911, take a defensive position amongst the impounded vehicles... And wait for air cav to strafe the enemy.
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A gun in a box is small comfort! All employees with guns on their hips would have been a better idea, along with a rifle and a shot gun in each corner.
They should have had the gun out of the box right when the dirtbag left to go to his car...is was all on camera.OMO
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The good part is they all get another chance to get it right next time and I bet the artillery will be bigger and to hand!
The guy is using a Saiga Sporter 7.62X39, not an AK. That being said, from the video they had no idea what he was doing until the lead started flying. At that point, armed or not, I'm putting as much distance and solid object as I can between me and him. I'm not going up against that kind of firepower with a handgun, unless I have no other alternative.
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