Thanks for posting the video.
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Thanks for posting the video.
I just think that it's really good information for any brother or sister in arms.
Even if we allready know about the dangers of edged weapons, these videos are a great refresher/reminder.
This type of information may save a fellow carriers life someday.
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Move, static postions are for target shooting not self defense shooting. Unless you are so close you are shooting from retention you should be moving while you're shooting.
Hate to bring this topic back up. But how would the scenario change if you had your wife and kids with you? It's a WHOLE different ball game.
Glock 20sf, Sig P938
LEO's at least get to carry open on the belt. Civilians who carry concealed probably to factor even more distance to this equation. Imagine how far the bad guy could cover if you're having to draw from your Smartcarry, ankle rig, belly band, etc. Scary.
Forgive me but what do you mean here? 15 feet is much faster than 21, but that doesn't sound like what happened.We ran that drill at my last CHL renewal class. Since pocket carry was becoming so popular we used a Ruger LCP in the front pocket without it being in a holster, just in the front pocket of the instructors Dockers. It wasn't even close. And that was with a gentle attacker that wasn't there to hurt the instructor. Just a guy from the class. I think it was around 15' and we did it several times.
Indeed- it seems to lose any utility when you know its coming. A second or two is the time it takes to look around your surroundings. If you then see someone running at you, its more like 42 feet.I'm not sure the Tueller Drills genuinely address any real-life scenarios one is likely to encounter.
I'm not sure a 9mm or mousegun matter in the short run. If my recall of the FBI wounding white paper is correct, if a handgun isn't knocking you on your rear end when you fire it, its not knocking them on their rear end when they receive it. Unless they psychologically decide to.
And that's basically firing off balance. Someone coming with a head of steam, momentum, there isn't a pistol caliber that is going to knock down or really even slow down an attacker running full speed at you with a knife unless that attacker trips or psychologically just is not into it. There is only a shot, CNS or spinal cord, and in that case any caliber would do. So its definitely going to get mouthwash distance personal with any handgun if the attacker wills it to.
If I recall the notion from the FBI handgun wounding white paper its something like 10-15 seconds an attacker can function with a fully perforated heart. Minus the 2 seconds taken running at the shooter and even a DOA attacker has 8+ seconds with you and a knife unless you make the kill shot (on a target moving full speed). Miss the kill shot, bounce it off the skull, and they have a lot more.
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong on any of this. Please! Otherwise I am really talking myself into doing something force on force here...
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Maybe we need to practice double tab to the pelvic bone instead of center mass then LOL
Glock 20sf, Sig P938
In the case of the show it was a man and wife coming out of a shopping place and interrupting another man and wife in a domestic dispute in which the husband had shot his wife and already had his gun drawn. The man hollers cover and the wife runs to a car while the CC'er steps offline and draws his weapon. And while I sometimes make fun of the show, it probably isn't a bad idea to work on a drill like this with your family. Especially because in one of the scenarios the wife freaks out and grabs the husband's arm and he is forced to shoot one handed. Something to research and add to your training.
vary your training. the more 'what-ifs' you can play with, the better the chances of interaction--
in the sense that if/when an event unfolds about you there will be elements in it of things that
you have practiced for. many here contend that when 'it' happens it will not be as you think it will be.
perhaps....and perhaps if you have practiced the great many 'what-ifs' and action for you has become
a series or automatic motions run by your subconcious: that action beats reaction
rules like 21' would better be thought of as generalizations--sorta, there about certain things
usually happen in a manner such that one who is on top of the situation will have the likely
chance to react.
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