~The 21 Foot Rule~

~The 21 Foot Rule~

This is a discussion on ~The 21 Foot Rule~ within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Many of you probably allready know about the '21 Foot Rule'. I just wanted to share this for those folks who may not be too ...

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    Many of you probably allready know about the '21 Foot Rule'.
    I just wanted to share this for those folks who may not be too familiar with it.
    It's an older video, but it's still very good and quite possibly life saving information.
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    Good Video...It's always good to remind folks of the 21 foot rule and the importance of incorporating the Tueller Drill into training scenarios. Equally important is to remember to "Get Off The X". JMO
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    I've seen that video before, but it's always good to watch again as a reminder.
    Thanks for posting it "Outlaw".
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    This rule has actually been increased to 25feet now. I had my friend rush me. I was unable to pull aim and get any good fake shots off with my plastic red training gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    This rule has actually been increased to 25feet now. I had my friend rush me. I was unable to pull aim and get any good fake shots off with my plastic red training gun.
    Because your first response should be to move and use physical force to defend yourself and once you have initiated movement lateral ( preferably away from the strong side) or away from the threat and are using your offhand to engage the threat and protect your head and vitals... all while trying to create separation then you can draw and empty your magazine/chamber into the threat until it stops.... yeah you may get stabbed or hit in the arm, but better the arm than your head, neck, or COM...... this is why I advocate AIWB.... weapon retention and drawing is much easier when your off hand/arm is engaging a threat during a FOF situation. it is a lot harder than it sounds when I type it out, that is why you need to practice so you can understand adrenaline and how your gross and fine motor skills are affected. Pretty much count on being stabbed or cut if a knife is in play at that range....
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    If you've seen the interview with Mr. Tueller, you'll know that the 21'-0 number was just a random distance that's all, that was chosen to run the drill at the time.....the video here depicts exactly that. that's why incorporating other techniques like the "Fence" to help ward off the attack.....especially at close quarters.
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    train in most any sport and sooner or later you will have an 'ah-ha' moment regarding some aspect of how or why you are training as you do

    with SD one of those moments may be when you realize that the gun may not always be the go-to, the default tool you need for every situation

    and that you need to add other methods, or modify the way you are training to accommodate new perceptions as to how a fight may occur.
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    Good post Outlaw.

    Quite often an unknown contact will get closer to you than 21 feet. Even if you see them prior to 21 feet they will try and use some sort of verbal distraction to allow them to get close. Add in the fact that the assailant will likely take initative in the attack odds are VERY high that the fight will be very close and you will not be able to deploy your weapon immediately.

    As mentioned in the video it is very important to have those hand-to-hand skills that you can apply and THEN deploy your weapon when the opportunity presents itself. IF you do have the time to draw into retention, (as mentioned) you need to move. In addtion, have the ability to carry out combatives and guard yourself with your off hand while simultaneously dumping rounds into the assailant.

    Of course we are not even getting into mulitple assailants......
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    Always a good reminder
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    As a non LEO I don't have a duty to approach bad guys. This is important because I can start to make space between me and a perceived BG before the action starts. Putting a car, gas pump or even a trash can between you and the BG will really help lessen the 21 ft needed to employ your weapon.

    I know from athletics that action always beats reaction. Being first is the key to victory. The problem is knowing when to act. Situational awareness is key, also I like to remind myself that it's easier to avoid a fight than to win one.
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    Good reminder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    This rule has actually been increased to 25feet now. I had my friend rush me. I was unable to pull aim and get any good fake shots off with my plastic red training gun.
    I wouldn't be surprised.
    I have heard that the 21 foot rule is the 'minimum' distance needed and that would be in an 'open carry' scenario with your sidearm in your holster with hand on your sidearm.

    A concealed carry scenario would need even more distance it seems.

    Considering how most encounters will probably happen within 6 - 8 feet, We all definately need to stay sharp & frosty if the fit ever hits the shan. Practice, practice, practice.
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    This was part of the defensive training in my LE academy years ago. Logically, you think you can respond to a threat much closer than reality shows.

    The other important part of the training was weapon retention which does not get much 'air time' in the CHL circles. Come up with your strategy and practice it(with an unloaded weapon of course) if you can get a buddy to help. There was a lot of time spent doing that because if you lose your firearm, your goose could quickly become cooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    This was part of the defensive training in my LE academy years ago. Logically, you think you can respond to a threat much closer than reality shows.

    The other important part of the training was weapon retention which does not get much 'air time' in the CHL circles. Come up with your strategy and practice it(with an unloaded weapon of course) if you can get a buddy to help. There was a lot of time spent doing that because if you lose your firearm, your goose could quickly become cooked.
    Same here.
    I went through this same type of training when I was in the military police back in the 90's.
    People need to realize that knives are 'extremely dangerous' weapons and that the majority of bad guys on the street 'will' have some sort of 'blade' on them.
    Unfortunately, many people think that a sidearm bests and edged weapon 100% of the time.
    Those folks are sadly mistaken.
    Here is another eye opening video.

    The 21ft rule - fail - YouTube
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