Elevator Nightmare 2
This is a discussion on Elevator Nightmare 2 within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Inspired by Elevator nightmare
Here is the scenario. Something like this happened to me many years ago. ( wasn’t packing) Many of the details where ...
September 5th, 2006 06:31 PM
September 5th, 2006 06:31 PM
September 5th, 2006 06:47 PM
I know the weapon will be coming out pretty quick I am wondering who will shoot first and who will give a warning. Granted they could be carrying as well and prob are, so you better be fast. After thinking this over I dont think there is a good way to handle it. It is over all a pretty dark situation for all involved.
September 5th, 2006 06:54 PM
you could be screwed, if you get into the elevator you have no room to act. You could drop back into the elevator while drawing however unless you SO knows what you are planning it may be a hostage situation. Are you in a hurry to get somewher the answer to the question is yes I think I'm going to puke they may want your money but they don't want your dinner, if he drops his hand then make your next move whether it is getting off the elevator or going for your gun.
September 5th, 2006 07:01 PM
I agree with the speaking quietly, politely and civilly to all. It sometimes has an effect on those quick to take disrespect issues. My wife knows not to cling on me in fright. She would be scared as would I but we have done similar drills. Her hand would already be in her purse with the good doctor. I would step back while slicing #1 BG's forearm with my lefthand and reaching with my right hand for my good doctor. She will start shooting to my left at unoccuppied targets as I shoot to my right. We might be hurt but hopefully with GOD's blessing we will prevail. Known murders as the scenario states do not get any consideration unless it is to my advantage and or situational requirements. My wife does not have any experience at killing anyone; but I am certain she will not hesitate. She doesn't like knives but "loves" her Glock as I "love" mine (the good doctors). Due to my job we pretty much live in yellow and/or orange condition in public.
September 5th, 2006 07:11 PM
I think it is great to have a plan for situations like this. I think that this situation with out some understanding by both of you would get at least one of you killed. the clingy thing alwasy makes it worse. You are right about that. I have been beaten pretty bad because a girl would not let me go. Needless to say I dumped her (this was in highschool many years ago)
Originally Posted by TPO
I like faking the puke, might work. But you are putting yourself out there if they dont buy it..
Originally Posted by gotammo
September 5th, 2006 07:34 PM
Best plan for this situation is to not use elevators in secluded places/late at night.
September 5th, 2006 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Wow! oay fine you walk up the stairs and then as you open the door to your floor you are confronted with the same situation.
September 5th, 2006 08:44 PM
My wife carries, so the BGs would have two armed 'victims' to contend with.
However, to play along with your scene..........As soon as the 1st BG put his hand on me, I would have moved back quickly (get some space from BGs) & drawn my weapon.
Once the BGs hand is on my person his intent will be unfriendly & my response will be as well!
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September 5th, 2006 09:11 PM
As Soon As His Hand "Assaults" Me...
the talking stops. Out numbered 3 or 4 to one 60 year old will serve as my defense here in Florida!
I desire to harm no man, but that means I do not want to be touched, shoved, or grabbed, assaulted, or robbed, etc. These actions are hard to sort out...are you going to ask about the intentions?
There is only one option I have...end the threat!
One on one, I may give a little...but this stuff is no game! Thinking too late may just be your 'last thought'!
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September 5th, 2006 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by retsupt99
September 5th, 2006 09:56 PM
September 5th, 2006 10:32 PM
Quick draw, scream obscenities about backing off. If one of them does anything except turn tail and run like hell, they are f'ing toast. I make no apolgies about that act. You have your back ot a wall - even in a state where you have a duty to retreat, you have no way to get around it. Back against the wall in a confined space and you're being cornered? Then fight like a rabid, cornered dog.
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September 5th, 2006 11:17 PM
+1 on SixBravo
After a few Elevator Nightmares I've had in the last year (the one a couple weeks ago being the closest one to using deadly force), I have made it a point to get ready to draw as doors are opening if I am by myself/with significant others; if no threat, but there is actually someone coming into the elevator, just fake a back injury and keep going about your bussiness (most sheep are in condition white and won't notice you were about to draw a firearm).
September 6th, 2006 12:27 AM
I have learned many times over (not all personal experience) that sudden, ferocious attack is the way to survive. There is no time for half-measures and talk. If I am being assaulted, I will respond with every bit of rage I can muster, and I will fight. In the words of a famous man, I will "drive my enemy before me, and hear the lamentation of his women."
I'll take a .45 and a large side of JHPs, please.
September 6th, 2006 12:47 AM
Yeah, that would be the gun-hating, anti-Second Amendment, gubernator of Kalifornia!
Originally Posted by vanilla_gorilla
From the movie, 'Conan, The Barbarian' -
'Mongol Warlord: 'Conan, what is best in life?' '
'Conan: 'To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!' '
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