Closest I've come to drawing on someone, somewhat wordy

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    Closest I've come to drawing on someone, somewhat wordy

    I've only had my CHL since last October and since then I haven't even come to condition yellow (except at my job where I'm armed security) but a day ago I almost had to draw on someone.

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    I went to a gun store with my brother in law who is a marine to shoot and look at buying a new duty weapon. We were there while and after BSing with the guy at the gun counter we were ready to leave as the store was officially closed, we walk out the door and almost get run over by a guy trying to get passed us (we both thought it was odd but decided to pay no mind). We were standing in the parking lot talking and the guy comes back out and approaches us. we both carry at about 4 oclock IWB so we turn a bit to get a good field of vision, we were too far from our cars and the rate the guy was moving it seemed to be our only option to talk to him while slowly edging back.

    At this point we already figure the guy is up to something by the way he entered a locked/closed store then came out directly to us. When he gets within about 30 ft we tell him to stop, he somewhat complies by slowing to an almost stop and he raised his hand (could tell he didnt have a gun by watching him and being able to see his hand) and he reveals a knife. I go orange but the knife is closed so we starting moving towards our vehicles without turning our back to him. He approaches again at a fast walk (keep in mind there in nothing but open space in the parking lot section we where in) so we stop and yell at him to stop. He does so but he' probably no mare than 15 feet away at this point and when he stops he hits a button and opens the knife... Red. I usually try to have a bottle of Sabre red on me anywhere I go even if I can't carry but unfortunately I didn't today and I still wasn't sure it would be the right option so my hand goes to the side of pants resting on the gun. My brother in law basically takes over at this point and starting yelling at the guy to back off, his hand is about the same position mine was in, with my other hand I get my phone and get ready to dial. The guy looked a little shocked and started stuttering about how he wanted some gas money because he had none and was broken down and the knife was expensive but he only wanted 5$ blah blah blah. We tell him to turn around and leave several times, he makes a very stupid move and re positions the knife to a threatening grip, I start dialing and my brother in law raises his shirt and reveals his 1911. At that point the guy decided it was a better idea to curse us and leave... in his "brokedown" running truck with his buddy in the driver seat.I had already dialed so I explained to the 911 operator what had happened and since he was leaving the parking lot I gave her an LP number and said we didn't need anyone to come out, she informed me she had an officer literally around the corner so he stopped by and talked to us about it and shook our hands saying he's glad we weren't one of the "sheep".


    Sorry it was so long but I tried to get as much detail as I could. Would anyone have done something different? Comments on how we did things?

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    And now the shoulda, woulda, coulda's will be shortly on the way.....

    Maybe at 15 feet you/brother in law might have at least drawn your weapon.
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    sounds like you did well and didn't shoot. me I would have had my gun out as soon as I seen the knife
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    I guess I didn't was to pull early seeing as how there was 2 of us Had he of come forward after changing his grip it would have been out. And again if I was alone it would have been drawn.

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    In my opinion, from the way you have described the event, you handled it perfectly. No one was hurt and everyone went home. From what I can tell, you still don't know the mans real intentions... and best of all, you don't have to find out. You called 911 to cover your actions and all is well..... I say, well done!
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    LOL, todays BGs crack me up. Picking two ole boys leaving a shooting range as a target, and with only a knife at that, has got to be the pits. They should be recycled through BG basic training
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    Sounds like you guys did pretty good under the circumstances , Hind sight being 20/20 at 15 ft I may have already drawn and gave him the get the F outta
    here message. I'm not 100% on the legalities but 15ft and opens the knife to me shows a threat so I would have drawn as I backed towards my car.
    The phone would not have been important until I knew I was safe. Red is red, a weapon of any kind and a short distance= intent. Draw, warn, fire.
    Then call your lawyer. Not trying to be part of the shoulda, woulda, couldas but it's easier to look at it after the fact and detached from it than in the heat of
    the moment.
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    Tell your brother in law... Semper Fi for me.

    Sounds like you two have level bubbles for brains. Good.

    Just like 'Rock, Paper, Sissors', Two Guns beat any knife at 15 feet. I would have drawn at that point, but that is just me.

    The guy was either snowing you and coming for the kill, or a complete idiot. Idiots have died for less before, and will in the future.

    Very glad it worked out for you. Shooting people is very pricy$$$$$.

    Edited: Add that over reaction can be just as bad a under reaction, unless you die, then its really much worse.
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    Yup, if he's gotta knife in his hands as he's approaching me, he'll see my muzzle and hear a commanding voice right behind it.

    Good job, and I sure hope the LEO's follow up on the plate. To me the guy was at the very least menacing; his behavior was very odd too say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L3git View Post
    He does so but he' probably no mare than 15 feet away at this point and when he stops he hits a button and opens the knife...
    15 ft, opened knife? sounds like bad situation that could have gone terminal in an instant, at that distance you have about a second to react, why you didn't have your weapon in a ready position is beyond me.
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    Once the knife is visible I'm drawing and ordering him back. If he continues to advance......well it was his decision, he'll have to live (or die) with the decision he makes.
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    Per the Tueller Drill, an open blade inside 21 feet can be on you before you can draw and shoot. So...

    he hits a button and opens the knife...
    At that point I would have drawn on him.
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    Sounds to me like you handled it just fine. BG detered,no one hurt,Called police,job well done.
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    I would highly suggest you read up on the Tueller Drill., and yes may be important to know about it (there have been court cases where the defendant lost because they didn't "know" about it). The Tueller Drill stipulates that a person with a mele object like a knife is a lethal threat within 21' because of their action time versus your reaction time will still give them the (lethal) advantage. This is why you are getting responses about not drawing at 15 feet, it is too close for you to be able to guarantee your ability to react.

    Other than that, I think AZJD1968's post sums it up perfectly.
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    Really glad this turned out as well as it did. You and your brother went home unharmed, good job.
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