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This part of the article suggests his permit was legitimate. Im sure the guy who intervened knows what the permit looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by livewire9880
"He showed me a permit, which I’m pretty sure had a Harrah address on it," Schilperoort said.
He could have just as easily gotten that from a stolen wallet, our permits don't have pictures on them. Shame he didn't catch the name instead of the town :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by partridge
In the post you quoted, I meant to write "didn't get a good look at it".
Ah. Ok.
I still cant believe CCW permits in the US. Here we need one for each weapon.
Here we have different laws in each state... in my home state we just have a "Concealed Pistol License" and can carry any firearm with it. In some states, you have to certify with each weapon or type of weapon you intend to carry. Other posters will have to clarify, but I believe some states require licenses to purchase firearms, or to register firearms after purchase. I really wish that the Supreme Court would force strict enforcement of the 2nd Amendment, we could be done with all this crud. But I doubt I'll get to see that in my lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by partridge
I thought the comments from the guy who "intervened" were a bit dumb ...... he didn't know what was going on , nor did he know if the guy was acting in self-defense or not. He had NO clue. His "assessment" stage was drawing his gun and charging into the situation .... like Roy Rogers or the Lone Ranger. Bad Bad approach, and not a smart one.
If you just defended yourself, and some guy jumps out of his car and is yelling and running toward you with a gun in their hand.... think you might be a bit apprehensive of their intentions ? I would be.
I'm sure going to have a BIG CLUE what is really going on , before I go jumping into it. I also make sure there is water in the pool before I jump into it.
In this case, it appears it was purely a shooting..... but, he didn't know that until "afterwards" ..... and that's a very bad time to be figuring that out.
Not to mention all anyone had heard at the time of the article was some obviously thin story about a cellphone... at a location where I have never failed to see both gangbangers and prostitutes. And not even the hot high-class prostitutes either... the cheap kind where if you're that hard up, you'd be better off going for the family dog O_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Eagleks
Yup. Viewed from the perspective of the shooter ... With just a bit more pluck, the new arrival's life could easily have ended right there, had the shooter simply extended his advantage of luring the newbie to complacency with platitudes about having a CHL. With a BG who's focused enough not to give a rip who's got "papers," it could have ended very differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by archer51
As good an answer as I could have come up with. In SC we have the Alter Ego Rule that allows you to intervene in situations where you have a presumption that if you were the victim you would be in imminent danger of death or great bodily injury. The trouble with this, as commendable an idea as it is, is the fact, that in most situations where you come across a situation that has already begun, you cannot be sure what is going on. You can "presume", as a reasonable person, but your presumption can be very wrong. In this news article, the idea that this guy shows up and literally has no idea what has just happened and who is who and what is what should be red light on a firearm response; you call 911, be a witness and not think about your firearm---bottom line is that you are not in immediate danger of death or great bodily injury, which is the overriding reason to be drawing your firearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit51
Don't see myself intervening in situation, except if I really thought he was going to shoot the guy on the ground I may have shouted not to shoot him again he was all ready down. My gun would still be in my holster at this point. If the shooter starts shooting at you after that you pretty well know his not a GG.
Mostly it's 911 and being a witness.
That may be, but my response is still the same. He's lucky he didn't get himself shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by livewire9880
I have got to chime in and let you know that just because they were people of darker skin tone, and in an area you deem less than desirable does not make them gang members. I understand that this is how the movies and news media wants you to think but lets use our own heads for once. Stereotypes are dangerous and divisive and serve no role in our society. There was a shooting this we know, anything other than that is purely speculation. I am not trying to call anyone a racist, this is just the second thread this week where peoples race seemed to be a large part of the post (something about carrying on Indian reservations).
With that being said unless my loved ones or I are potentially in harms way my gun stays in its holster and my cell phone comes out. I reported an intoxicated driver yesterday, it seems like the responsible thing to do.
^ 308, good reminder. Criminals come in all shapes, sizes, colors, speeds and levels of lunacy. There's almost no rhyme or reason to it, beyond upbringing, circumstance, and time since the last Vicodin.
Actually until I got to your post I hadn't given any thought to race, color or creed.Quote:
Originally Posted by .3O8junkie
Yup. Profiling = determining if the person is acting criminally = fits the profile. Little else matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit51
That's the most offensive thing I've ever seen on this forum, and you should be absolutely ashamed for even thinking it. When did anyone in this thread mention anything about race until you showed up? I don't know anything about the race (well, you mentioned color, not race I suppose) of anyone involved. What I did say is that there is a lot of gang activity in that area, and I've seen gang members in the store. What led me to that conclusion has nothing to do with their genetics, but the clothing they wear, the kinds of tattoos they have and the way they greet each other. And as far as the area goes, just looking at the volume and type of graffiti in the area is all the clue you need even without the cars and music, or groups of people on the steps of the houses. The fact that Yakima has a significant gang problem isn't news to anyone, nor is it rocket surgery to figure out who the gang members are as opposed to those who are simply unfortunate enough to live in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by .3O8junkie
You assuming that "they were people of darker skin tone" is offensive to me. For that matter, what do you think my "skin tone" is?