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This is a discussion on Are you defending your property or your life? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; working for the company I did, carry was not allowed. at the time, Missouri (where it happened) did not allow carry. I was a sitting ...

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    working for the company I did, carry was not allowed. at the time, Missouri (where it happened) did not allow carry.

    I was a sitting duck with a lit car topper sign.

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    The Jack Benny Program - "Your Money Or Your Life" - YouTube

    Reminds me of the old Jack Benny skit, your money or your life.

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    If he's or she is standing in my house uninvited I suspect there not here to say Hi. Despite the current Castle Law issues in Florida, Missouri also passed Castle Law. I'd drop the Hammer. My Dad always taught me, don't draw it unless you have to and if you do make sure to use it like you mean it.
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    If someone is threatening my life, for whatever reason, I believe it is acceptable to use deadly force. I don't care if they want my wife, my money, or a stick of gum.
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    Maybe we need to look at it this way......

    * An armed person (gun/knife) approaches you and demands your wallet/money that would be considered a threat to your life and not the property. That fact that he wants the wallet/money is secondary since they are armed.

    * You notice someone has broken into your garage and is hauling out your lawn mower or whatever (does not appear to be armed or not noticeable). This would be considered defending your property and not your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    Maybe we need to look at it this way......

    * An armed person (gun/knife) approaches you and demands your wallet/money that would be considered a threat to your life and not the property. That fact that he wants the wallet/money is secondary since they are armed.

    * You notice someone has broken into your garage and is hauling out your lawn mower or whatever (does not appear to be armed or not noticeable). This would be considered defending your property and not your life.
    Too bad he had that extra lawn mower blade in his hand...looked to me like he was swinging it. "Bang, bang"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    Life you have no right to defend property. Read the law you have to let them take it heck in Wisconsin your required to help them load it up.
    If you are not in fear of great bodily injury or death from them why would you give them anything? Just like giving stuff away? If you are in fear for your life then you would be fighting for your life not your property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    Maybe we need to look at it this way......

    * An armed person (gun/knife) approaches you and demands your wallet/money that would be considered a threat to your life and not the property. That fact that he wants the wallet/money is secondary since they are armed.

    * You notice someone has broken into your garage and is hauling out your lawn mower or whatever (does not appear to be armed or not noticeable). This would be considered defending your property and not your life.
    That's pretty much the way I see it. I'm not going to go through the legal hassle of shooting somebody over a lawn mower. But, if somebody points a gun at me, he has already made the decision that somebody is about to be shot. I'm going to try my best to keep that somebody from being me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    Maybe we need to look at it this way......

    * An armed person (gun/knife) approaches you and demands your wallet/money that would be considered a threat to your life and not the property. That fact that he wants the wallet/money is secondary since they are armed.

    * You notice someone has broken into your garage and is hauling out your lawn mower or whatever (does not appear to be armed or not noticeable). This would be considered defending your property and not your life.
    Exactly my point.

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    The Media ... that has an agenda..... find it hard to argue about you defending yourself against some scumbag or defending your family against some scumbag who's trying to kill you or them ..... but "property" gives them (in their eyes) something to argue about, and one in which they feel they can find bad examples to help their cause.

    And, anything they can use to try to paint "those gun folks" as bad, they will jump on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95 View Post
    Property is not worth dyeing for....life is worth fight for.
    All the "stuff" in my house is insured and replaceable---I am insured but NOT replaceable. In my house, at night, the bedroom door is locked and secured--someone enters my home and starts taking things I will not leave my bedroom to confront them--I do not wish to die over a lousy TV or a computer that I can replace. If they decide to try and come into my bedroom, they will die sure as I write this missive. I should note it is only my wife and I at home--no children or other family members in other parts of the home. "Presumption by a reasonable person of imminent death or great bodily injury" is the cornerstone of using your firearm. Someone asking you firmly for your wallet is very questionable after you kill them. PS: In SC, at night and only at night, if you see someone stealing or committing what appears to be a felony and you perform a "citizens arrest" on them, you can shoot them and kill them if they try to evade your arrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    All the "stuff" in my house is insured and replaceable---I am insured but NOT replaceable. In my house, at night, the bedroom door is locked and secured--someone enters my home and starts taking things I will not leave my bedroom to confront them--I do not wish to die over a lousy TV or a computer that I can replace. If they decide to try and come into my bedroom, they will die sure as I write this missive. I should note it is only my wife and I at home--no children or other family members in other parts of the home. "Presumption by a reasonable person of imminent death or great bodily injury" is the cornerstone of using your firearm. Someone asking you firmly for your wallet is very questionable after you kill them. PS: In SC, at night and only at night, if you see someone stealing or committing what appears to be a felony and you perform a "citizens arrest" on them, you can shoot them and kill them if they try to evade your arrest.
    ...including if they have broken or are breaking into your outhouse with a view to plunder.


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    Seems clear that basic term "self-defense" is self explanatory, by definition: defense of a person. Like you, my take is that defense of anything else is where something else is being protected. For my part, I'm highly willing to defend myself and loved ones no matter what it takes, even if that results in serious injury or death. To the extent I believe I'm able to affect things in a deadly situation blowing sideways right in front of me, I might extend that to others (ie, an armed robbery right there). And should my local/state hirelings (ie, the DA, police and state reps) see fit to pull the finger out and stop criminalizing defensive actions by citizens (instead, terming such things "vigilantism"), then I'll consider other situations well beyond that, though not until then.

    Things/stuff can be replaced, are often (at least partly) insured. Irrespective of any anger or frustration I might have over not defending such stuff, I believe that loss of it isn't worth the loss of my life or the lives of my loved ones. But that's just me.
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    It's not just your property you're defending! Sure, property can be replaced. But what about DIGNITY?
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    This provokes this scenario in my mind. OK you wake up at zero dark thirty and realize someone is burglarizing your detached garage or an outbuilding. Calling the police who have one car to cover the whole county is not expected to be of any assistance for quite awhile. You decide to try to surprise and detain said BG for police. A controversial move I agree. This is defense of property at this point, but said BG decides to attack you instead of complying . Now it is self defense situation. I'm on the fence on this one but also don't think we should stand by and let people steal from you. Lots to consider, IE; could it be done without compromising your families safety. Specific state law ....
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