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    Went orange... at church?

    My wife and I moved to the area we're in now a little over a year ago, and have been attending this church for a large portion of that time. A couple months ago we were just starting to get involved in the youth group, which is what I'd done a lot at my previous church. As such, I didn't know many of the kids or their traditions yet. There's always much joking around and fun to be had before service starts on Wednesdays, and I'm standing at the back of the room watching in amusement. The youth have their own building known as "the pole barn." It's a square, metal-sided building with two doors on opposite sides, far towards the back. I was standing near the door at the back left, again, watching in amusement, when all of a sudden the door on my left bursts open and in strolls a guy in blue jeans, a black hoodie and a ski mask. I'm sort of out of his view as he immediately looked forward, so I took two steps back and a step left to put myself behind him a ways and hooked my thumb over the backstrap of my M&P .40c.

    I kept an eye on his hands, which were empty, and it quickly became clear by the students' laughter and his subsequent behavior that this is was a known character. It turns out to be "Marlon Poncho", a character that one of the students plays for amusement. It's an ongoing joke in the youth group apparently, so as I figure this out I settle down and put my thumbs back in my pockets and keep watching. Most of the lights were out and I was back in the shadows, so I don't think anyone saw. After service I threw my arm around the youth minister and asked him if there were any other "shady" characters I needed to know about, as I'd been behind "Marlon" and had almost taken him out (no I didn't say how). He laughed, apologized and explained, and assured me that this was the only such hoodlum I'd have to worry about. He just thought I was caught off-guard and had considered wrestling the person down I think.

    After the initial shock of the door opening and seeing the hooded figure I was fast to prepare to draw, but evaluated before doing so. His appearance surprised the students, but did not scare them, so I took that cue and waited it out. Obviously it's good I didn't put a round into a student's noggin. At least now I know that I can evaluate a situation quickly and, apparently, accurately.
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    Sounds like you did everything fine and I doubt anyone saw your action as what it was. Good job, cooler heads prevailed and that is a good thing. Well done.
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    In, Florida, when you see someone wearing a ski mask, you don't hesitate. You offer them some Skittles.

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    Sounds like you did well in your assessment. It's too often that we hear of these things gone bad with a victim saying that when it started, I thought it was a joke. Good post and nice job keeping an eye on the hands.
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    I think you did well--these days, you just can never tell--there are way too many crazy people out there Ministry Violence Statistics If you have any doubts, look this site over and show to your church leaders.......
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    Yeah, church is a scary place, which is why I avoid it at all costs.
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    Holy cow! Nice job. Cool story. Thanks for sharing!

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    Every place in this country is dangerous. But I do not consider 562 deadly force incidents in 13 1/2 years to be any higher than any other place I frequent. Again, stats are what you make of them. According the site (which I have seen before) DFI's that occurred outside on ministry property or activity location 366 or 66.06% where as 188 or 33.94% occurred inside the building. I just stay vigilant wherever I am and raise and lower my SA according to the enviroment. My SA at church is pretty darn low compared to the Walmart parking lot...just me
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    Quote Originally Posted by paaiyan View Post
    I didn't know many of the kids or their traditions yet. There's always much joking around and fun to be had before service starts on Wednesdays ...

    ... in strolls a guy in blue jeans, a black hoodie and a ski mask.

    .. so I took two steps back and a step left to put myself behind him a ways and hooked my thumb over the backstrap of my M&P .40c.

    ... it quickly became clear by the students' laughter and his subsequent behavior that this is was a known character.
    Seemed a bit quick on the move, there, but then had it been an actual intruder (gussied up like that with hoodie/mask) you'd have been in a position to begin resisting. Still, imagine had this been with the lights on, particularly if your group isn't exactly carry-friendly. All in all, decently done. You saw what for all intents appeared to be a legit intrusion by a masked person, took a couple steps to be prepared in the event it turned out to be confirmed (via weapon in hands, manifest intent via violent attack), but didn't go beyond that until confirmation showed it was a planned activity.

    Uncertain if your pastor is open to the concept, but many groups around the country have set up a sort of dedicated volunteer group of adults who are willing to come armed to all services/gatherings to be prepared in the event things blow sideways with a violent intruder. The group would be apprised of such minor 'surprises' as a masked 'intruder' who's actually part of the activities, would work together if an intrusion arose, etc. Might or might not work at your church.
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    I haven't ever broached the subject with the pastor or youth minister, but given the area I'm going to say I am FAR from the only person at the church who carries. As a matter of fact I have a friend there who carries Rock Island 1911 and I know one member who has an FFL and I'm going to say probably carries at least some of the time. I can think of a couple who wouldn't surprise me if they did. The pastor is a good ol' boy who I'm sure would be fine with it and the youth minister I think would, though maybe not his wife.

    As for reacting fast, I can take that criticism. Had the lights been on students would have seen me step back and move my hand to my hip. The gun was never exposed, but the movement would be fairly obvious to any who paid attention to me instead of "Marlon." You have to understand though, that I was standing about 8 feet from the door and he didn't just open it, he threw it open with a bang for dramatic effect. It was sudden and loud, being a hollow metal door, metal frame and metal walls.

    It's worth noting that a friend who helps with the youth group, who knows I carry but doesn't himself yet, was sure to let me know the next time "Marlon" was scheduled to come for an unscheduled visit.
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    Paaiyan, as far as Im concerned you did just fine. You used your best tool (your brain). It could have been bad, and you were ready to act. It didnt go bad, and you didnt over react..
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrwizr View Post
    Yeah, church is a scary place, which is why I avoid it at all costs.
    In all honesty, I'm not particularly religious, I support abortion, and I tend avoid membership organizations, but I've been attending church regularly for five years, and it's been all good. The fellowship and the trust you develop with a group of people who live a good life is quite valuable. I thank the Methodists because they are a very accepting group of Jesus followers and pass no judgements on alternative lifestyles or alternative points of view. It's not like other religions where it's the "road to Hell" if you don't follow their dogma 100%. I used to believe they were all cultists, but my perception has shifted 180 degrees. I even read the Bible now.

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    Believe it or not I'm particularly vigilante at church. We have about 400 in attendance in each of two services, and we meet in a public school building with all kinds of signs and flyers inviting everyone to come, and I can just see some nut job wanting to make a statement about church and religion on school grounds.

    On the plus side, at least five or six deputies and every now and then the Sheriff are in attendance every Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    Believe it or not I'm particularly vigilante at church. We have about 400 in attendance in each of two services, and we meet in a public school building with all kinds of signs and flyers inviting everyone to come, and I can just see some nut job wanting to make a statement about church and religion on school grounds.
    In Virginia, carrying on school property and in churches (during services) are prohibited. There have been times that I would have felt better in church if I had been armed.
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    In, Florida, when you see someone wearing a ski mask, you don't hesitate. You offer them some Skittles.
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