23 Seconds to Live or Die

23 Seconds to Live or Die

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    23 Seconds to Live or Die

    23 Seconds to live or die.....could you prevail in light of what these people faced? If you're not carrying a round in the chamber, and think you will have time
    to rack the slide......not this time. While this happened in Mexico, it could happen any place in the U.S. as well. You just never know.

    WARNING: Very disturbing video and extremely violent....

    LiveLeak.com - Nuevo Leon, Mexico - the Lozano Garza Jewelry Store murders - 3 camera angles (March 14, 2007)
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    The morons shot one of their own.

    I'm not sure having one in the pipe is going to help you much in a situation like this.

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    Just goes to show that people don't value human life.

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    We can only train so much. There is only so much we can do. Sometimes the BGs are just hell bent on putting you down. While I would never give up, sometimes the cards are not in your favor. Keep your SA up and train to the best of your ability, maybe the luck of the draw would be on your side in a scenario like this.

    Edit: 23 Seconds to Live or Die......As for this. I would hope to tell my loved ones that I love them one more time.....
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    notice the man with the vest drawing a weapon and he actually gets off one round that hits the first BG in the leg. I've watched this video a hundred times and you have to look very carefully
    to see his gun discharge as he is going down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    notice the man with the vest drawing a weapon and he actually gets off one round that hits the first BG in the leg. I've watched this video a hundred times and you have to look very carefully
    to see his gun discharge as he is going down.
    Is this the guy in the corner?
    A security guard or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    We can only train so much. There is only so much we can do. Sometimes the BGs are just hell bent on putting you down. While I would never give up, sometimes the cards are not in your favor. Keep your SA up and train to the best of your ability, maybe the luck of the draw would be on your side in a scenario like this.

    Edit: 23 Seconds to Live or Die......As for this. I would hope to tell my loved ones that I love them one more time.....
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    Crazy how those 'things' have no respect for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonker1986 View Post
    notice the man with the vest drawing a weapon and he actually gets off one round that hits the first BG in the leg. I've watched this video a hundred times and you have to look very carefully
    to see his gun discharge as he is going down.
    You can't tell from the first angle, and the 3 third doesn't show much either, but I saw what you are talking about in the second angle about his gun going off. From the way the BG went down though, I would suspect he was hit by the second man through the door. Either way it is irrelevant. There was no intent to rob the store. This was an out and out hit on one of the 4 people in the store. Either in retaliation, or to send a message to someone.
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    One thing is certain, they were not there to rob the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    One thing is certain, they were not there to rob the place.
    I think they shot one of their own guys. Maybe that's what made them change their plans. Hard to say.
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    I would bet money it was a planned "HIT" It's very likely they quit paying protection money and the gang wanted to make examples out of them.Anybody alive after the initial barrage were shot again,notice the girl gets shot in the lower back.
    Now imagine your front door kicked in and defending against 3 guys with AK's
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    Yep. I am seeing this as a hit. They were shooting as they entered instead of trying to get any property, and they were making sure all were shot multiple times before leaving.

    Sadly, this will be moving north of the border to a town near you soon, and there are way too many idiots (politician or otherwise) that think gun control will stop this here.

    Do we really think any of those murderous scum will turn in their weapons because of a law? They will, however, count on the government disarming civilians so they can do this safely over here on our side of the border.
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    People (if they even qualify) like that are disgusting. They shot the girl, who up to that point seemed to be unharmed, in the back after the initial volley was over.

    I don't care who you are, if you were one of the customers or the security guy, there is really nothing you could have done...
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    I disagree the guy in the vest, who is the one facing the door appears to be reaching for a gun, perhaps, but his hand never gets pointed away from the ground and it actually looks to me like his motion of his right hand is actually a reaction to a bullet striking him in the hip/belly on his right side. I think the first gunman was indeed shot by the second gun man. The security guard never faces the first gunman, he runs right past him.

    The other thing I noticed is that it's true what they say about your fine motor skills going to hell, notice that it takes the guy two tries to pick up the dropped AK.

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    Twenty three seconds? I call BS... It was all over in the first 2-3 seconds if that....

    If you had been a customer in the store... It is my considered opinion (and only that, an opinion) you would be amongst the bodies...

    You have the fatal funnel of the two counters... you are amidst the personnel in the shop... no way to act quickly enough.
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    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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