This is a discussion on McDonalds do nothing robbery within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by diver1102 My ccw instructor (county sheriff) gave us this senerio and it has got me thinking, is it ok to do nothing? ...
BTW, LEO's are civilians as well. I would venture to say that most of the LEO's that I know would probably stop the BG right then and there. They all carry off duty and have a general disdain for scumbags.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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Money is cheap. I'm sure every giant company is insured for this kind of stuff and just has a "hand it over" policy.
I'll keep eating my cheeseburger and be a good witness.
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Unless the guy starts shooting people or looks like there's no doubt he will. Then imho definitely do NOTHING exception if your family is with you of course. If so get 'em out or at least to hard cover. Be a good witness.Be prepared to employ deadly force.Americans gotta stop watching and believing Hollywood's hero garbage...
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That happened to me. I was sitting in a McDonalds in Denver when it got robbed. The most scared person in the building was the one holding the gun. That's why I won't open carry, I he had seen a gun, I'm sure he would have freaked out. I would say your instructor is correct. I'm not going to be the one that turns the robbery into a gunfight. Now, if the bad guy starts shooting, or lays a finger on my wife...game over.
The would be robber was caught within minutes and a few blocks of the store.
what does this say about the world today when we use McDonald's as a senario for self defense? sir; would you like a happy meal with that bag of cash?
Obviously, if he is robbing the store, he should be considered a threat, but as long as he focuses on the money and register and makes no signs of aggression towards the patrons(including me and my family), I would probably let him have the money. That is what insurrance is for. As your thread title suggests, sometimes the best protection for your family will be to do nothing. Well, not nothing, but whatever you can without drawing attention to yourself and family.
Walk softly ...
This discussion has good points on both sides. There is no one size fits all answer. For those who might take immediate action by taking down the gunman. You are possibly putting your family in jeopardy financially. Are you prepared to mortgage your house, sell off your 401 or cash in your kids college fund to pay lawyers fees?
You many in fact be endangering the well being of your family.
Now for those who say wait until your life is directly threatened. You have just given up any possible advantage of surprise you might have had before the gunman turned his attention to you. Not wanting to escalate or put yourself in any greater danger has just put you in greater danger.
Oh, and for those who say they would not take a life over property and money is property. Once the badguy threatens force it is no longer about property. He is threatening your life. You would not protect your life with force? Or if you believe that he is not threatening your life why give up your property. Just laugh at him and walk away.
If It's mcdonalds deal and I haven't seen a gun or he is threatening to shoot people that's fine I'll be a good witness,but if he demands my wallet it's gonna chang stuff,I have identification in my wallet that tells the pos where I live,I'm not a COP so I'm not going to arrest him,I'm gonna shoot his ass
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
You have to ask yourself, do you really want to draw and put yourself in that position when deep down you don't believe that anyone's life is at risk? You have no duty to engage. It's called "personal protection" not "protect and serve." If you feel that your life it threatened then by all means, defend yourself. But a weapon that is carried by those of us licensed to do so does not have to be used in the protection of others. That being said, the law does allow a firearm to be used to protect the lives of others in most cases but you need to remember that you are responsible for every bullet that comes out of that barrel.
Second in bold is part of the answer to the first in bold and your instructor is on the money.
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Find this book: In the Gravest Extreme : The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection By Massad Ayoob.
You can get it through Books-a-million here for 12.95 + s&h
Additional thoughts: (wow, I had more than one... whoda thunk it?)
While you're waiting for it to ship, go to the local library and get a copy from them or through their inter-library loan program and read it a couple of times before you get your very own personal copy. The book will answer many many questions for you... It is somewhat dated in the selection of firearms, but all the firearms presented will suffice. Same with the ammo.
Special note: If you did not get the Justice League handbook surreptitiously handed to you at YOUR CCW class, you have not been initiated into the League (sorry 'bout that).
If upon graduating your class, you did not have to swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the US and/or your state of residence, you have not become a sworn officer of the government... Like a cop... or a sheriff, or even a dog catcher... ( sorry 'bout that, too... if that's what you were hoping).
Hence, you are an ordinary citizen who now has the option to carry a gun... Good... no, GREAT, for you..! Use that right/privilege wisely and you will probably never get it out of it's holster except for cleanings and range trips...
And, that is the goal.... to be able to return home to your tv, your wife, your kids... whichever and whatever... without having to defend yourself at any or every turn.
Those are my thoughts... on this subject... Good luck to you... Stay safe and "carry on."
It could be worse!
If my family is not in immediate threat, I don't need to ask for it. I will be a good witness and call it in.