An attack in Israel compared to the Aurora massacre

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    Let's not forget that just about every person that had a permit served in the military, including the women. Every man is also in the reserves. I think Israel is a tougher example to use because the military folks are just about everywhere as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Then I think of the poor woman at the Loubies Cafeteria in Texas a few years ago. She watched as some loon shot people...including her mother and father. She left her firearm in the car that day....following the "rules" of Loubies.

    This is a perfect example of being the right person...in the right place....at the right time....without the tools to act.
    That turns all the "rights" in the prior sentence to "wrongs".
    The Luby's incident was more than a few years ago. Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp lost her parents in 1991. It wasn't Luby's rules that kept her handgun out of her possession, it was Texas law, that she decided to follow. And then worked to change.

    For those new to the CC world, here's one of the seminal lessons.

    Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment! - YouTube
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    Link to Israel story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geohans View Post
    Link to Israel story?
    That an armed society is a polite society; and that a heavily-armed, polite citizenry that's together on that score can make it much more likely that a violent criminal can be caught (stopped) in the act.

    Versus the alternative, in which there's a patchwork of weak, ineffective steps at criminalizing citizens for mere possession of defensive tools, allowance for civil lawsuits in cases of defense against crime, and a ~1% carry amongst the out-and-about population that doesn't provide effective deterrence.

    The link: that vastly improved preparedness yields untold benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911247 View Post
    Israeli cops are tense!

    We trained with a few when i was in the Corps. Those guys DONT mess around. It does not surprise me that they were able to drop the shooters instantly and eliminate the threat.

    They taught us a cool trick, where you use your gun as an iron glove basically, if your clearing a room and come around a corner to be face to face with an attacker, using both hands you pull the weapon back into your armpit, then punch out as forcefully as you can, thus driving the front end of the weapon into the attackers face. Ultra brutal results follow this.

    The Israeli Police train like Russian Spetznaz. They make our LEO's look like mall cops.
    You live in what amounts to a "War Zone" for any length of time, and this will probably happen. If things don't change, we'll be there soon enough.
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    Not trying to hijack the thread but a commentary in my local paper today was entitled "Aurora was not Fort Hood". Contrary to our narcissistic moslem piece of garbage residing in the whitehouse, the title is absolutely correct. Aurora was an isolated act in and of itself by a crazy person. Fort Hood was a terrorist attack pure and simple. Most, if not all the attacks in Israel are terrorist attacks. Perhaps if we had a President instead of a moslem flunky we would have a government that would recognize the real world that the rest of us have to live in and understand who our enemies really are--the Israelis, unfortunately, understand who their enemies really are--we, in this country, just elect them and put them into the whitehouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    One of the most impressive things I have ever saw was a store tape in Israel. There was a young woman shopping and the clerk. Some guy ran in screaming. The shopper drew her gun and shot him in the head. He was a bomber getting ready to light himself and everyone around him up. She ended the threat by shooting him, close range, in the head.

    It is the perfect example of being the right person in the right place at the right time.

    Then I think of the poor woman at the Lubies Cafeteria in Texas a few years ago. She watched as some loon shot people...including her mother and father. She left her firearm in the car that day....following the "rules" of Lubies.

    This is a perfect example of being the right person...in the right place....at the right time....without the tools to act.
    That turns all the "rights" in the prior sentence to "wrongs".
    That woman in Texas in the Luby's incident was Suzanna Gratia Hupp, who went on to become a Texas State Representative and is one of the best, hardest hitting pro-gun, pro-concealed carry advocates we have down here. The vid of her speaking to the government goombahs is a wonderful watch, where she eloquently dresses down the antis and their ridiculous idea that leaving civilians unarmed in the face of armed criminals and crazies is a government's worst atrocity.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-oNM...feature=fvwrel
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