An attack in Israel compared to the Aurora massacre

An attack in Israel compared to the Aurora massacre

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    An attack in Israel compared to the Aurora massacre

    In 2008, a lone gunman murdered 8 young students at an Israeli school (Mercaz HaRav massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    "The attacker was stopped by two Israel Defense Forces officers who were former Mercaz HaRav students themselves: Yitzchak Dadon and Captain David Shapira, who both dealt the fatal blow to the attacker with their personal firearms".

    In 2012, a lone gunman murdered 12 people and wounded 58 others at an Aurora Colorado movie theater. The attacker was not stopped by anyone in the theater.

    However, according to the Daily Mail (James Holmes: Gunman used police evidence bags as hand puppets as mother admits she had feared he was disturbed for years | Mail Online), "Torrence Brown, Jr. was in the cinema and one of his friends, 18-year-old A.J. Boik, was killed in the massacre. He plans to file a lawsuit and will name the theater, for not properly securing the emergency exit, and Holmes’ doctors, for allegedly prescribing medications, as defendants. The law suit will also name the studio Warner Brothers, claiming that Dark Knight Rises is too violent."

    In Israel, people are given licenses to carry firearms (although, the right to carry is very limited) and, more often than not, are able to end an attack and stop the perpetrator. No one sues anyone after an attack.

    In the U.S., there will be hand-wringing over too many guns and lawsuits blaming everyone for the murderer's violence. Instead, we need more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens who are trained on how and when to use them. And we need fewer lawsuits.

    To Mr. Brown - your lawsuit is an insult to your friend and the other victims. You had no problem going to see the so-called violent movie. Stop trying to enrich yourself at the expense of the victims and their families.
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    "Torrence Brown, Jr. was in the cinema and one of his friends, 18-year-old A.J. Boik, was killed in the massacre. He palns to file a lawsuit and will name the theater, for not properly securing the emergency exit and Holmes’ doctors, for allegedly prescribing medications, as defendants. The law suit will also name the studio Warner Brothers, claiming that Dark Knight Rises is too violent."
    There we go again. No one was taking care of us. Sue 'em, even the movie studio for making the movie. I'm going to be sick.
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    Gun sales up 47% in Colorado.............also CCW Permit Apps.

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    There is no guarantee that a permitted carrier could have stopped the massacre. But at least they would have had a fighting chance.
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    One of the most impressive things I have ever saw was a store tape in Israel. There was a young woman shopping and the clerk. Some guy ran in screaming. The shopper drew her gun and shot him in the head. He was a bomber getting ready to light himself and everyone around him up. She ended the threat by shooting him, close range, in the head.

    It is the perfect example of being the right person in the right place at the right time.

    Then I think of the poor woman at the Lubies Cafeteria in Texas a few years ago. She watched as some loon shot people...including her mother and father. She left her firearm in the car that day....following the "rules" of Lubies.

    This is a perfect example of being the right person...in the right place....at the right time....without the tools to act.
    That turns all the "rights" in the prior sentence to "wrongs".
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Gun sales up 47% in Colorado.............also CCW Permit Apps.
    Good. Means people are learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Gun sales up 47% in Colorado.............also CCW Permit Apps.
    I plan on going to the LGS in Denver in a few weeks. I'm sure it'll be even more crowded than usual.
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    Heck even here in maine its gone up. I was at Cabelas today and the firearms manager told me that since the CO shooting they have sold over 125 pistols. :-) people are starting to get it!

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    IRTT: I have a friend whose wife is from Israel and she married my friend and moved to the US, where she promptly discovered she was more afraid to walk around here because she doesn't see people with guns everywhere like in Israel. While in Israel, she knew that she was better protected because if someone started shooting, 15 others would be shooting back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911247 View Post
    ...people are starting to get it!
    Except the high profile people who have armed bodyguards and who rail against guns any chance they get (Bloomberg for example).
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    While on a WESTPAC/MED run back in '95/96, I had the wonderful adventure of getting a liberty port in Haifa for Christmas. It was an intresting place. At a bank one morning, while in line to get some cash exchanged, the lady in front of me couldn't find her bank card, ID, or whatever..... so she dumps the contents of her purse on the counter and the bank teller and lady start 'sifting' through her stuff, lipstick, various papers, reciepts, a Beretta and spare mag, loose change,...... and FINALLY her card! (silly chicks)

    Had breakfast at a little cafe, Sittn' there waiting for our food I naturally began looking around....... I was surrounded by various men and wemmen, white and blue-collar types, only noticed a few of 'em wern't heeled.

    My wristwatch had stopped prior to pulling in...... needed a new battery. "Well, there's a 'watch store in the Scud Mall" our taxi driver told us. Walking around there were soliders carrying their FML's (I think), a mother with her child in a stroller and an Uzi underneath the baby in one of the 'kangaroo poutches', the dude tending the 'watch store' had his own FML (I think) propped up in a corner behind the counter and Beretta in a SOB holster........

    I could go on. Those people lived with the threat of terrorism on a daily basis, and they didn't stand for it if they could help it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    IRTT: I have a friend whose wife is from Israel and she married my friend and moved to the US, where she promptly discovered she was more afraid to walk around here because she doesn't see people with guns everywhere like in Israel. While in Israel, she knew that she was better protected because if someone started shooting, 15 others would be shooting back.
    That's about as good a definition of deterrence as anything else: the fair likelihood (near certainty?) of a criminal being unable to escape/survive a violent attempt on the lives of others ... practically applied, by the citizen on the street, nearly every citizen you meet. Just the way it should be, IMO, a "hardening" that makes it difficult on heavy-handed authoritarian regimes, invaders and common street thugs alike.
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    As I said in another thread, maybe victims of violent crimes in Detroit should sue MGM and the late Orion Pictures because Robocop was very violent and poorly represents the city. Maybe it even encourages crime in Detroit, that and that pawn show on TV.

    No offense to the residents of Detroit.

    But yea its totaly the movies fault that a grown man working on a doctoral degree was influenced by what it shows.
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