Is a stray round/casualty ever acceptable?

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    Maybe instead of more this and this

    We need more this and this

    Otherwise we get this and this

    Just an observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerberos View Post
    Maybe instead of more this and this

    We need more this and this

    Otherwise we get this and this

    Just an observation.

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    ^^^^^^^^^

    Could be rootbeer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Noooo, no beerchugs. When I consume alcohol, I become disagreeable.
    That I would agree with
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    Okay... I just finished catching up to this thread, and I really wish I had gotten in on the ground floor.

    To answer the question in the OP title, yes. It's the word ever that makes it so.

    To expand on the OP content, if I were in an active shooter situation and I was not in the direct line of fire, I would try to direct as many people as I could to the exits and behind some kind of cover, but would make my way toward the shooter. The closer I can get, the less likely I am to have a stray round. As much as I don't want to play the hero, I also couldn't just run out letting any number of people pay for my escape with their lives.

    OTOH, if I were in the line of fire, I would seek cover and a rest and return fire. Yes, a higher likelihood of an unfortunate hit on a bystander, but if I am taking fire so are those in my own line of fire.

    Franky, the good of the many does outweigh the good of the few (or the one). It's a sad statement, but if someone is already in a spree shoot, they're obviously not going to stop until they run out of steam, ammo, or functioning weapons. Sideshow Bob at Aurora managed to hit 70+ people before he ran out of steam. Laffy Taffy at that Safeway in Arizona managed to hit 18 before a jam took him out. I can't come up with a nickname for Virgina Tech, but that was 49 killed or injured before he did himself in. These body counts could have all been mitigated if someone was properly armed and took the shot. If I was a parent of someone at one of these shootings, I would want someone to take the shot. Do your best to make it a clean shot, but take the shot.
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    I've thought about that CO shooting, and how all those people were willing to be victims.
    Consider a theater, it's a very crowded place. After the shooting started, the shooter moved up the steps, while carrying three weapons and wearing body armor. He had to be within 5' of people who were trying to get on the floor. If one of them had jumped on him, he would be off balance and other movie goers could jump on the pile. Hell, you could take 5 ten yr olds, and take down an adult. We are so safe in America that the shock of a life and death situation paralyzes people, and they simply wait to be shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    I've thought about that CO shooting, and how all those people were willing to be victims.
    Consider a theater, it's a very crowded place. After the shooting started, the shooter moved up the steps, while carrying three weapons and wearing body armor. He had to be within 5' of people who were trying to get on the floor. If one of them had jumped on him, he would be off balance and other movie goers could jump on the pile. Hell, you could take 5 ten yr olds, and take down an adult. We are so safe in America that the shock of a life and death situation paralyzes people, and they simply wait to be shot.
    I'm constantly telling myself, "I will not be a victim." Act.
    What got me was several of the survivors who got interviews said they were "looking right up at him" from the floor. TRIP HIM or something.
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