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Is a stray round/casualty ever acceptable?

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    Conversely, if someone were in a position to prevent my family from being shot or killed, and chose to run/hide/cower in the corner, I would be extremely pissed.

    To the point I would probably shoot him myself.


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    So if the active shooter was targeting your family about to take you all out, would you want someone to attempt to take him out? He is standing at the end of your row of seating, rifle pointed directly down the row with your wife, children and you and there is no place to go, isle is jam packed with people at the other end, both rows above and below are jam packed with people trying to move by stuck by packed isles.

    It is easy to say, you don't want anyone to risk danger to your family while taking a shot at the active shooter. It is a bit harder to say you would be willing to let your family die if someone had a chance to stop the threat so there was no potential risk to anyone else in the theater.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    I don't think it's ever acceptable to accidentally shoot someone. How would you feel if another civilian shot your wife or child while trying to shoot the BG? Pretty sure you wouldn't care that 50 didn't get shot...you'd only care about the one who DID.

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    I don't think it's acceptable, but it would/could be understandable. First, I think everyone has the right to carry. Second, everyone has the obligation to be proficient with their chosen arm and limit their shots to their individual skill level. If someone who, in practice, can only manage 7" or so groups at 7 yds takes a shot in a crowded theater, that is neither acceptable or understandable - there about an equal chance of hitting a bystander as the gunman. A person who can keep their shots in a 1-2" group at the same distance would be justified in taking a shot in a crowded theater. In that scenario, hitting a bystander would not be acceptable, but I hope/think I would be understanding even if it was a family member/friend.

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    NO! period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyDTrigger View Post
    NO! period.
    OK how about this for a completely unlikely hypothetical:

    You are in a large meeting room in a high floor of an Atlantic City casino. A gunman is on the ledge, has broken the window, and begins to fire at the large crowd of people in the room. You are safely behind solid cover, but have a clean angle shot at the shooter and beyond the shooter is the Atlantic Ocean. The shooter empties a magazine and you see at least 6-7 people bleeding out on the floor while the 200 others (men, women and children) are jammed up trying to exit the room. When he drops his mag and starts to reload, you get your shot lined up and just before you shoot, you remember that the boardwalk 30 stories below the shooter was packed with families watching a Spongebob parade just a few minutes earlier when you entered the casino.

    Forget trying to evaluate the risk based on the scenario I laid out, and assume that your own assessment before pulling the trigger was that at least two people would likely die if a person fell from that height and landed on a random spot on the boardwalk. Also assume that you figured at least one of those would likely be a child.

    Would you take the sure kill shot knowing that he would surely fall from the ledge knowing that any stray shots would head harmlessly into the ocean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStick View Post
    ...the blood would be on his hands for all of the deaths.
    Right. Colorado, like many states, has a felony murder law. Any deaths can be charged to the initial perpetrator. Even if 2 perpetrators act together and one is killed by police, the other is charged with his buddy's death.
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    I will add something that I recently read elsewhere:
    The real world is a 360 degree hot range.
    Learn to live with that.
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    In light of the shooting at the Empire State Building, I will repeat
    The real world is a 360 degree hot range.
    Rounds miss, bystanders may get hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottM View Post
    In light of the shooting at the Empire State Building, I will repeat
    Rounds miss, bystanders may get hit.
    Yep!

    NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire | Fox News

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    Never but it happens and life goes on. We must face the facts in the real world bystanders may get hurt or die. The victims of bad peoples actions are not always their target.
    As for this case those officer need some range time. This is not the first time NY police have done some wild shooting.
    Soldiers deal with this often in urban environments. But unlike LEO they are charged in this new world order.

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    HI in a perfect world one would cooly clear up the situation with one precisely placed, accurate shot, but in my world, you would shoot to take the S.O.B. out as quick as possible without even 'thinking 'of where the bullets might end up other than inside of the BG..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Right. Colorado, like many states, has a felony murder law. Any deaths can be charged to the initial perpetrator. Even if 2 perpetrators act together and one is killed by police, the other is charged with his buddy's death.
    Legally speaking, that's exactly how it should be. Fact being, nobody want any of the attack or its ramifications to happen except the perp(s), and the perp(s) caused it call to go down.
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    I will do whatever is needed to protect my wife and children.
    English is my second language, I have been told my use of it is harsh, apologies if this is the matter.

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    Do LEOs have legal immunity from stray rounds such as in the empire state shootout?

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