This is a discussion on Should use of deadly force be different for human or animal attackers? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Dog lovers let their pooches run without a leash - they think it's cute. If I am walking with a little kid and rover gets ...
Dog lovers let their pooches run without a leash - they think it's cute. If I am walking with a little kid and rover gets aggresive, then it's 'Bed-Time' for Rover.
An owner that lets an aggressive dog run around is asking to get his dog shot. Everyone gets these crazy dogs, pythons, big lizards, and they get loose. I live in Fl and we got 20 ft snakes thanks to pet owners that turned it loose.
This is one of my labs. He's a great companion and very loyal. He does leave a bit to be desired as far as a hunting dog but we're working on that. That's another story. :) This is his "protective mode" and what an intruder would have to confront first as he has house night watch inside. As a responsible dog owner I have already had the talk with my neighbor that has been over to my house and I told him that IF for some reason he got loose and threatened his family at his house, he has my full recommendation and blessing to drop him on the spot. Although I love all of my dogs, I would not be able to deal very well with the fact that my dog hurt someone. I don't take his tether lightly either; since this picture was taken, he's been bound by a chain that could tow an aircraft carrier if he's tied up and not in the house with us.
This is what happens when my chickens get too close to his food dish as his warning. He also does this at the door with unfamiliar guests. In response to the OP, if this was happening in front of me with a dog that I didn't know, I would not hesitate to shoot even if it appears that he is holding and not actually biting.
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Having taking reports of people that were seriously injured by even small dogs, I think that most people underestimate the damage that sharp teeth can do.
In a serious dog bite, even a small one, it can take months or even years to recuperate, if one has not experienced nerve damage of some sort. I can take you to several victims of dog bites where the the person lost partial use of a hand or an arm due to nerve damage.
Its not something to be taken lightly.
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Animals don't get an extra pass for their lack of reasoning ability. Biting or otherwise destructive animals are dealt with. The shame of it all is the irresponsibility of animal owners who don't exercise good reasoning.
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Again, contrary to what some would like to make my OP to be it has nothing to do with whether or not you should shoot fluffy. Same for humans. It was only an inquiry into the thinking process behind it. Like it or not if you can believe what they say many would use deadly force against a human quicker than they would a dumb animal.
Yes....in ways, and for different reasons. Many times an animal attack can be avoided completely....however....dealing with a human attacker is much more intricate. Animals will still react according to body language, a gun pointed at them might have little effect or affect them little. A human that continues an attack when a gun has been presented obviously has to make a decision. I've presented both with the dilemma and I've never had to shoot either. Animals survive on instincts mainly...humans survive any way they know how. An animal is never going to take advantage of you the way a human would. It all lies within the brain. My simple compassion for animals outweighs my compassion for humans because animals are innocent and they cannot do evil.....man can, and is willing and able to do so. Animals also have no concept of death...only pain and suffering.Should use of deadly force be different for human or animal attackers?
Animals get the same rule of engagement as Humans, no more no less.
When it gets to the point of them or me, I'll go with me.
I have no problem shooting anything medium sized on up in the dogs if they are aggressively attempting to bite me or others, or killing other pets or livestock. This is simply because they can do a lot of damage really fast, they might have rabies here in Texas, and I have no requirement to bleed before I shoot.
Small dogs like chihuahuas and dachshunds? Then it becomes a decision on if I really thought that they were rabid, because I am sure not gonna let them bite me, and whether or not there is some better way of defending against them than 9mm.
And yes, my Dolly the Destroyer is shocked, SHOCKED that I would give that last answer......
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When dealing with animals you have to use your brain, same as with any self defense scenario. Obviously, if some pee wee of a dog that weights a total of 3 pounds is nipping at your heels, you arent going to pull your gun and shoot it, you'll probably just launch it across the street.
You have to use a graded approached, common sense is required.
I know that its hard for some people, but you have to be smarter than the animal.