This is a discussion on Hearing loss within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; It won't blow out your eardrums. It could save your life, though. In a self-defense situation I wouldn't worry about it. Just like when I ...
March 12th, 2007 10:50 AM
It won't blow out your eardrums. It could save your life, though. In a self-defense situation I wouldn't worry about it. Just like when I go hunting I don't worry about it. One shot here or there won't make a significant difference in your long-term hearing.
Going to the range and shooting without hearing protection, though, is just DUMB in my not-the-least-bit-humble opinion.
March 12th, 2007 11:11 AM
My "loss" is what called the "boiler maker" type of loss. Mainly from race car involment for 30 years.
March 28th, 2007 12:39 AM
In “fight or flight” adrenalin does certain things to your senses. It causes tunnel vision, destroys fine motor coordination, prevents us from “creative reactions” and last, shuts down our hearing. These are facts that have been tested and proven. In a high stress situation, it is probable that you will never hear or notice the shot because of these physiological effects on your hearing. While a LEO I have had that happen twice when I had to fire in a closed in area under stress. I neither heard or had any ringing in my ears after firing the shots. It is just the way we are wired.
March 28th, 2007 01:31 AM
Auditory exclusion is a very real phenomena, but it won't protect your ears from hearing damage. The fight or flight reaction you describe is a mental one, your ears still hear the sound, but your brain ignores it (it has more important things to do at the moment). Hearing damage from loud noises is a physical effect, it damages the delicate structures of the inner ear. Auditory exclusion may keep you from hearing your shots, but it doesn't prevent hearing damage.
Originally Posted by deadshot
March 28th, 2007 01:37 AM
Obviously you cannot worry about hearing protection if you find yourself in a defensive situation. You risk damaging your ears, but it's just the nature of the beast.
Other than that, protect your ears! Don't ever shoot without hearing protection. In fact, double up with foam plugs and muffs.. you will be glad you did when you are older.. if you aren't already old lol.
Don't go around loud music without protection. they do make special ear plugs that allow the sounds to come through naturally, but just lowered about 12 db.. which helps.
Last may my girlfriend, my sister and her boyfriend.. wanted me to go to a dance club with them. I'm not a dancer, but you know how it goes.. gotta make the gf happy. I have had loud stereos in my vehicle since I was 16.. I'm now 27. I've been to many concerts without hearing protection.. after them I would have the usual ringing for the night and it'd be gone by the next day. Well, this club was the loudest music I had ever been around. I have NEVER had my ear drums vibrated from loud noise.. never.. but this night club did that. Now, nearly a year later... my ears have rang 24/7 since then.. not one single day, not one single hour, not one single minute has gone by without both ears constantly ringing.
The ringing keeps my brain focused on the noise, which keeps my brain active at night. I have a horrible time falling asleep. I can't sit in silence at all, all I hear is the ringing even worse. The ringing causes tension in my ears, which transfers into my head and neck.. giving me headaches.
If you want to lay down to go to bed, and just lay there for 3-4 hours and not fall asleep.. if you want to hear high pitched ringing 24/7 for the rest of your life.. then by all means.. skimp on hearing protection. I would NOT advise you to do so though. I wish years ago I had listened to parents telling me to protect my ears good.. but I didn't.. If you find yourself at a place with loud music... I'd leave. I now carry flesh colored foam ear plugs that I got at walmart.. hearos brand.. they lower the sound 32 db I think.. I have one package in each of our vehicles so I am never without hearing protection should we end up at a bar with loud music or anything else.
protect your ears! you can't get the hearing back once it's damaged, and it will seriously affect your daily sanity having to put up with the squeal in your ears.
March 28th, 2007 01:46 AM
My 38 is louder than my .45 will ever be. I made the mistake of shooting it without plugs and thought it cracked my skull.
You will be fine.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft!
-- Theodore Roosevelt --
March 28th, 2007 01:51 AM
My friend has a .357 mag... he use to shoot it outdoors without hearing protection.. what a moron. Now he thinks just using 20 db muffs is plenty of protection for that. Well, since a .357 is about 165 db... that's only getting you down to 144 db. still way above the danger zone. Some people just won't ever get it though.. they won't understand until it's too late.. kinda like me.. but I never did shoot guns without hearing protection.
And once again, in a defensive situation you just aren't going to have time to put hearing protection on. Not unless you find yourself having to pick off zombies from a distance from your porch.. then you can slip some on.. otherwise you're just going to have to shoot and risk the damage if the threat is severe enough.
March 28th, 2007 02:17 AM
A Few Tips & Hints
I have serious shooting related Tinnitus.
Sometimes it's worse than other times.
Sometimes it's so bad I sleep sitting up in a chair.
Sometimes I don't sleep at all...like tonight.
Mine was sort of unavoidable and I won't bother to get into that.
I've talked about mine on this forum before.
Trust me that you should take care of your hearing whenever possible.
Buy the best hearing protection that you can afford to buy.
You'll be better off in the long run buying one less firearm and spending that $$$ on the best muffs to protect your hearing.
Gunshot Tinnitus is cumulative - please don't wear hearing protection if you think you might enjoy something akin to Chinese Water Torture 24 hours a day - every single day - for the remainder of your life.
There is no cure.
Some things make it a little easier to deal with.
STRONG Green Tea Concentrate helps.
BIOFLAVONOID pills in combination with vitamins - are a waste of money.
A combination of White & Pink Noise helps.
Some prescription meds have a side effect of reducing the volume of Tinnitus though I've not discovered any that will eliminate it.
A non addictive low dose of an anxiety medication like Buspar might help also because increased anxiety and stress due to the Tinnitus will make it seem worse.
Tinnitus Retraining is a total joke...that is where they try to retrain your mind into believing that something that is bothering the living $h1t out of you is something that you really actually enjoy!
I'm sorry but, I'm not a total idiot so that didn't work for me.
If any of you are really suffering with it PM me and I'll try to go into more specific detail as to what has helped me.
March 28th, 2007 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by QKShooter
pm sent... also yahoo and msn messenger id's if you have them, i'd like to talk to you on there about it.
March 29th, 2007 07:52 PM
You beat me to it.
Originally Posted by QKShooter
Mine stems from another life when I played in a rock band.
It was back in the Jimmy Hendricks era when bands thought amplifiers MUST be turned up to the highest levels.
Tinnitus is cumulative. Firing a gun without hearing protection just to see what it feels like may alleviate your curiosity but it WILL add a bit of damage. You may not notice it except for a bit of ringing in the ears but some day you will notice that little buzzing sound that doesn't go away.
Because I had tinnitus before I ever shot a gun, I already knew the importance of hearing protection.
Sometimes mine gets so bad I can't even hear the oven alarm going off. Had some "interesting" meals because of that.
Please. . . .treat every exposure to loud noises seriously and do what you can to avoid it. You'll be glad you did.
fortiter in re, suaviter in modo (resolutely in action, gently in manner).
March 29th, 2007 08:00 PM
Would that be all the way up to 11?
Originally Posted by PaulG
March 29th, 2007 08:07 PM
Mine is from someone shooting a 357 without my hearing protection in my first time on the range. I could not hear for that entire day or half of the next.
Originally Posted by Betty
Stupid me was gagging because ear plugs dont work for me so I took them out while at the range which has a full rock face behind the firing lines. BAD MOVE
I am glad to see that I am not the only one who had this problem. Thought it was just me.
I also thank you all for reminding me about this, I am leaving for a youth convention early tomorrow so I am still need to pick up a set of ear plugs as normal.
Last edited by me; March 29th, 2007 at 08:36 PM.
Reason: Added thought
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
-James Earl Jones
March 30th, 2007 08:05 PM
Guys in my band never looked at the numbers, we just turned the volume knob clockwise until it stopped.
Originally Posted by Blackeagle
Funny. . . . the ringing in my ears sounds a little like the music we were playing back then.
fortiter in re, suaviter in modo (resolutely in action, gently in manner).
April 9th, 2007 05:54 PM
Constant exposure to gunfire regardless of caliber can be real
detrimental to a persons hearing. Take it from one who knows
all too well, as I listened to the echo of the .22 caliber stuff a
long time; so I thought well now I have a .41 magnum, so it
couldn't be all that bad? Boy, was I wrong~! Now, I do not
hear as well as I use too; but luckily I don't have a hearing
handicap, and have to wear hearing aids.
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