Robbery gets really bad at Olive Garden. What would you do?

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    Robbery gets really bad at Olive Garden. What would you do?

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    Two Olive Garden employees were robbed in an Olive Garden parking lot at gun point. They were both in the car when it happened. After giving up all the money they had, they were still shot for no apparent reason. One died at the scene. This one hits me close to home. A girl that worked at my old restaurant transfered to the shooting location. Olive Garden kept it hush, hush. She called her old restaurant to tell them what happened. I used to work for an Olive Garden and I know what it is like leaving the store when no one is around. This makes me re-think my tactics in a confrontation of this sort. I assumed that my wallet was worth a human life(mine and robbers, or at least the personal torment involved in taking a human life) and if thats all he wanted I wouldn't draw down. Doesn't sound like all they wanted was the money does it? I would definitely be at a disadvantage with a gun already on me. There were also two robbers. I am not sure if there were two guns. Would you open fire immediately after being confronted, or would you size up the situation?
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    That's a very sad story, and I hope they catch the murderers.

    I don't know the details of what happened in this case, but to improve my chance of avoiding a situation like this, I like backing into my parking spot so I can swiftly leave if I have to, and I try not to hang around inside my vehicle making phone calls and whatnot. I get in and leave quickly or exit the vehicle quickly to walk to where I need to go, and if I spot suspicious people around I find another parking spot further away.

    I don't like having to shoot somebody over material things, but when that person's done taking my purse and jewelry, I've got a 50/50 chance of getting killed if he's armed, anyway, even if I've complied with his demands. Robbers don't want to be identified and some want to add to their "street cred," so they shoot.

    Having to defend myself while someone already has a gun trained on me doesn't put odds in my favor, but if I'm going to get shot, I prefer to get shot while fighting back.
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa

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    As stated many times...> does the BG have the tools needed to inflict great bodily harm?? Do you precieve this as a threat ?? Do you feel that your life is in danger ?? Why would you NOT feel that a person with a gun pointed at you is NOT going to shoot you ??

    Hell,the BG wouldn't even need a firearm. One BG with a blade and he's gettin' shot. Two BG's with baseball bats or golf clubs are gettin'shot. This, if they get within my precived "safe" zone. Not after they already have closed, and raised the bat.

    The very low end of the gene pool needs to be flushed down the crapper.

    I would agree with Betty's last two para's. Only I'd make the chances more like 70/30. ----------

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    If a robber sticks a gun in your face demanding your wallet, "say ok let me get it for you", reach back and grab your pistol instead. It's all about misdirection.

    We had an incident in Minneapolis this summer where a guy was robbed, and shot in the face after he coughed up his wallet. That isn't happening to me if I can help it.

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    I consider being robbed at gun/knife/club/fist point a threat of great bodily harm or death. I would act accordingly as quickly as possible and in a manner that would put myself and others in as little danger as possible.

    This seems to be happening too often these days for no reason. Recently we had a young man killed while he was handing over a team jersey for crying out loud. The fellow from what I have read put up no argument what-so-ever but was killed. This has got to stop and sending a few of these thugs to the happy hunting ground may just do that.
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    NUMBER 1} Situational Awareness...I NEVER step out a door without doing a scan...I keep my head on a swivel at all times. Keeping the BG at a distance is key to surviving. I never dally after getting in my vehicle, if I have something to do once in my vehicle I will drive a short distance where I can park in "wide open spaces" to do it and keep scanning the area.

    NUMBER 2} I have had 2 friends murdered by perps with only "stealing" charges on their sheets. I look at it as preventing someone else from getting murdered in the future. If the legal justification is there...........

    NUMBER 3} Distraction. Bill Jorden wrote (paraphrase on) If you know you are going to have to kill a man; walk up to the distance where you intend to do the dead, smile real big and friendly and say "howdy". This will induce confusion in his mind and add at least a full second to his reaction time; guaranteeing that you will be the one to go home to summer (paraphrase off).

    If facing a drawn gun do/say something totally out of context; say/do something to divert attention. I have decided (if I can remember if it happens) to look over the BGs shoulder or off to one side, obviously looking at something behind him and softly say "OH SHINOLA". Who could resist taking at least a quick look to see what is going on; and then do what has to be done.

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    USA Today reported a couple weeks ago how there is a distrubing trend in robbers, often teens, killing their victims even when no resistance is encounterred. It has become far more common than in the past and I think is easily tied to the devaluation of human life and lack of common respect instilled from an early age. The fact that it is yonger criminals doing this is the key.

    Persoanlly, if I can resist I will. I will only resist though at the time that I feel I will be at the greatest benifit. Decieve and Confuse the enemy.

    I had a girl I was friends with marched into the freezer at Taco Bell along with her fellow employees one night in Daytona Beach FL in 91 or 92 I believe. Every one of them was shot or stabbed but amazingly she was the only one who died. I am not dying on my knees in a freezer, I may die there but not on my knees.

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    As far as being robbed at the Olive Garden... give the criminals some gift certificates. It will almost gaurentee a slow and agonizing death. Of course I am on Long Island and we are pretty picky about what is considerred Italian food.

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    Thats nice in theory F350 (NUMBER 3}) but I don't think any Tom foolery will be in order if there is a gun in your face. I can't see myself asking for a quarter for the vending machine. What I am told is time will distort, I will have audio hallucinations, and unless your one cool cookie, all previous plans and thoughts will go out the door. On top of this, it will happen in a few seconds. I like the "here's my wallet shaped kinda like a .45 approach though". Thats pretty automatic and easy.
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    Sad just sad the way these scum just do as they please I'll say a prayer for the departed and a request for the ______ of the guilty!
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    and Musketteer, I never said the food was good...
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    Well unfortunately in the state of Georgia, I couldn't legally carry into to Olive Garden because they serve alcoholic beverages. My wife likes to eat there and I'm in hell when we go because my pistol is in the SUV, not on me. Just tonight we ate at Applebees and I had to disarm before we went in. It is such a pain in the rear! Georgia's laws aren't as gun friendly as some think. Don't even get me started on the "Public Gathering" wording in our law. Some LEOs have misunderstood this wording and they think that anywhere is a public gathering i.e. the mall or Wal-Mart, when really it is a "gathering" like a concert or parade etc. Sorry for hijacking the thread, I needed to vent.
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    I have reconsidered my attitude towards armed robbery because of the people being murdered even though they do not resist.

    1. I try to never go into a parking lot after dark. In their case they have no choice, I would use a technique of using a fanny pack unzipped with my hand in it holding the weapon.

    2. Survey the lot and using a walking pattern so that no one can jump out of a hiding place with no warning, allowing you time to pull your weapon and use it if necessary.

    3. Park your car under the brightest lights and in the most public area. This is what my wife and I do if we have no choice, like going after medicine for a sick child.

    4. I also like to have remote start on my car so that lights and engine starting could rattle the criminals from their hiding places. Other options would be to request LEO to escort your employees to their cars at closing.

    Just some thoughts, I know these things are easier said than done in a busy day and for people with limited funds. Itís a shame that we have to go to such extremes to protect ourselves from this scum .

    J.S.

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    I will take measures to protect myself, many that have been mentioned before. I will not however, live in a daily fear of becoming someones victim.
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    I don't think of it as fear. I call it awareness. I am not walking around every day afraid, I am on the look out for danger.

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