Good thing this CCWer was there to help.
This is a discussion on Guy with .357 assists responding officer within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by urkrypt0nite Wow..now that's good shooting. All the more reason to have a rifle on standby in case you need to make a ...
Good thing this CCWer was there to help.
When things go bad, they can go bad fast. There may very well NOT be enough time or opportunity to get a clear "authorization" to render assistance. In fact, a cop under fire may not even realize you're there or that you're at all capable of rendering any kind of assistance, let alone extra firepower. As a citizen, you may have to make an immediate decision on whether or not you will help--and how you will do it--and this is where mental preparation and forethought come into play. There aren't any one-size-fits-all solutions for a situation like that and it's probably dangerous to look for one.
As for the good Texan's marksmanship, I have no trouble believing the distance was 165 yards. I was at the range a while back and the guy next to me was consistently pinging the 200m plate (about 12" in diameter) with a 44mag revolver. Some people get frazzled by stress, and some get focused by it.
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I've been thinking about searching the potential shooting distance in that RV park(165 yds vs 165 feet) on Google maps, it looks like someone has done that on another forum, see excerpt below:
And how far do you guess it was?
Using Goole Earth's measuring tool it gave the distance from the entrance to the far end of the trailer park as 126 yds and from one side to the other as 76 yds.
Not knowing the actual address and positions of the people doing the shooting, I'd be inclined to say the shot was LOT closer to 165 feet than 165 yds.
Regardless, it was some good shooting by the Mr. Stacy.
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I think its fairly safe to say that if I was involved in a shootout, and I see another guy in plain clothes shooting at the turd thats shooting at me I will know he is not a threat to me and will be grateful for the help;
gun owners/CCWers know what to do if its an obvious situation such as this rv park when there wasn't time for the officer to ask Mr. Stacy/give permission to help
I think we're saying the same thing just taking a different route to get there
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In response to many of the posts I saw with regards to some of the recent shootings like Aurora CO. I figured I would pose a few questions based off a scenario and you can see what you would do. I heard so many responses on the Aurora CO thread that were all across the board. Responses like my own in which I would try to make a difference if I could, to responses of I would run for the other exits or just secure my family and get low under the seats. Other comments I saw were things like "you are not a trained operative and so you have no business taking a shot at the bad guy." Other posters were so caught up in reasons not to help like legal ramifications, the guy was made of kevlar, had agent orange, that made it almost seem like people kept trying to find reasons not to do something.
*Note I took some liberties of the type of comments I saw on the Aurora thread, they are not verbatim. Lets say that there are many opinions and what if's pertaining to that mass murder and it has nothing to do with my scenario below. I am only going with a thought process here.
Here is the scenario
Lets say before we start that there are not a ton of details. Questions like how hard was the wind blowing and what sign was the bad guy born under are not available.
1. Bad guy taking shots at responding officer behind a tree
2. Officer is armed with AR15 but is missing every shot as the bad guy is behind the tree using it for cover
3. Senior aged man see's what is happening from about 165 yards away. He is armed with a magnum revolver and is facing to the side of the bad guy behind the tree.
4. Bad guy does not see the Senior from his vantage point
What would you do?
Here is what Vic Stacy did..... I apologize if some may have seen this before....
More details from news clip...
“I’m just a citizen trying to help an officer out. That’s what I was tryin’ to do.” That’s what Vic Stacy had to say while deflecting attempts to call him a hero. Stacy came to the aid of Sgt. Steven Means of the Early, TX PD who came under fire from Charles Conner. According to ktxs.com, Conner had already murdered two neighbors and their dogs before opening fire on the officer as he arrived on the scene. When Stacy saw Sgt. Means couldn’t get a good shot at Conner, he feared the cop would be the third (well, fifth) victim of the afternoon. So Stacy opened up with his own gun, hitting him in the thigh and knocking him down. Conner’s now in a morgue somewhere after Means and Stacy ventilated him sufficiently to end the threat. We know at least one cop who’s glad firearms aren’t restricted to police and the military.
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Good job Mr. Stacy!
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165 yards is a long shot. I'm betting he's done some long range shooting with that gun. It's also possible that he has over estimated the range. Either way, good job!
That tops being "a good witness."
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Mighty good shooting on his part.
He and his firearm both did their part.