Home intruder: do you have to announce that you're armed?
This is a discussion on Home intruder: do you have to announce that you're armed? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I imagine many people would announce they are home and armed with words we cannot use on this forum. The intruder may figure out your ...
August 4th, 2012 07:01 PM
I imagine many people would announce they are home and armed with words we cannot use on this forum. The intruder may figure out your position,this is true. He will know you are where the repeated loud noises originate.
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August 4th, 2012 07:02 PM
The "duty to retreat" crap in many states is, more or less, along the same lines as this sort of thing. It's one of the elements that can be the direct cause of a person losing all remaining control of a potentially explosive, violent and deadly situation. Which explains a large part of why the push to "Castle" protections in one's home has gained such steam.
Home intruder: do you have to announce that you're armed?
Remember: In your own home particularly, the mere fact you've got your firearm pointed as his solar plexus is warning that you're armed. Any live felon in your living room'll tell you so. Just like police screaming "Freeze! Drop your ..." milliseconds prior to opening fire as the armed felon turns to "refuse" constitutes warning. Think it through, so that you can find the path to survival.
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August 4th, 2012 07:14 PM
Man, rough crowd.
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August 4th, 2012 07:50 PM
There's definitely no warnings in Texas. Your warning in Texas is when you had to break in the locked door or window.
August 4th, 2012 08:05 PM
Question for the OP. Do these "experts" say you have to announce before or after pulling the trigger? "BANG BANG. Oh....... BTW I'm armed!!"
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August 4th, 2012 08:09 PM
This sums it up nicely...so a +1 to Harryball....
Originally Posted by Harryball
Clodbert, you may have your concealed weapon permit, and you may be carrying a weapon....BUT...based on your OP and some of your followup posts, I would highly recommend that you do several things. Go to Handgunlaw.us and click on the state of NC and start reading and comprehending anything and everything that pertains to carrying concealed, carrying legally, where you can't carry, personal defense, home defense, etc...Once you've done that then DO IT AGAIN! Seek out some REPUTABLE Defensive Handgun/Pistol training from a REPUTABLE instructor...Learn what MINDSET is (do a search on this site), learn what SA (Situational Awareness) is and how it applies to you in your life, in your life when carrying your weapon, and in the lives of your loved ones...That should give you sufficient tasks to begin to clear up some of the questions running through your mind. IMO, you are a danger to yourself, based on your lack of knowledge and understanding of Imminent Danger and the use of Deadly Force and how it applies to the huge responsibility which you've chosen to undertake called CONCEALED CARRY...
Good luck in your journey Clodbert...OH...and start reading and searching this site when you have questions...
As to answering your OP....The intruder has made his choices when he enters MY castle uninvited and unannounced...I shall NOT grant him the courtesies, afforded to normal invited guests, of meeting and greeting with a smile on my face...His only greeting will be BANG BANG!....BANG!....Hello 911, please respond, etc etc etc...JMO
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August 4th, 2012 08:17 PM
I said this before I will say it again. You must know the current law in your state and how it is being applied.
What you can or can not do in one State has little to do with another.
Until last year in Wisconsin they could steal anything they wanted in your home and you could not take action, only with positive threat of death could you do anything and even then some were run in to court.
The Current law assumes that someone entering you home means you harm, but a couple case in the last year where home owners have been forced to act they have been put through a rough time.
Wisconsin requires no warning. yet.
August 4th, 2012 10:53 PM
It depends on your state. In FL you don't have to say anything. We were the first state to adopt the castle doctrine in 1985. I would still do it however.. depending on the circunstances.
August 4th, 2012 11:47 PM
Originally Posted by First Sgt
I think if you re-read the original post you'll see where the OP said
If he received his concealed carry class in NC prior to December 1, 2011 the laws were vastly different than after that date. His question is one I'm seeing on a pretty regular basis since the changes took effect. You could still be subject to a civil case even if your shoot was found to be legal. Now the laws provide immunity from civil charges if you meet the criteria of the laws for justified use of deadly force.
I'm asking this from the scope of possible criminal charges and civil litigation, and not of tactical advantage/disadvantage.
Also, prior to Dec 1 you could not use deadly force on an intruder once he had gained access to your home in NC. You could use deadly force to stop his entry but once inside, he would have to pose a deadly threat such as a gun or knife before you could escalate the level of force to deadly. Now the laws allow deadly force even after entry because it is a given you would be in fear of serious violence.
So maybe not be so hard on the OP, he has stated both sides of the coin and is just asking for clarification. There isn't a mandatory refresher course and many people that have their concealed handgun permit in NC don't even know the laws have changed.
I'm just glad to see the questions asked instead of people just assuming they know all the answers.
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August 4th, 2012 11:58 PM
There is no language in the Wisconsin statue pertaining to informing an intruder you are armed nor duty to retreat.
Originally Posted by tricolordad
895.62Use of force in response to unlawful and forcible entry into a dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business; civil liability immunity.
Wisconsin Legislature: 895.62
939.48 Self-defense and defense of others.
Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48
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August 5th, 2012 12:26 AM
This question came up on my defensive handgun class. The advice given was to state a firm and loud "get out!" but not to say you're armed or are going to shoot them. This can actually endanger you even more. In addition, the advice was to only fire if you firmly believe your life is in danger but to also consider that in the case of a home invasion you should default to that position. You don't know the intentions of the invader, you don't know if they are armed, and you're not about to have a discussion with them about it prior to making your decision.
August 5th, 2012 12:45 AM
My LEO CCW instructor told us that the first realisation for a home intruder that he's about to have a very bad day should always be the muzzle flash of your weapon. :)
It's kind of like how some people have a sudden and insatiable desire to talk about vampires after the Twilight series became popular, except zombies are much less gay and more likely to exist one day
August 5th, 2012 02:26 AM
If you have an open line to 911, and if you have time to yell out a warning, (the BG is still outside of your house, etc ) its not going to hurt to yell out a warning. (it will sound really good on tape in the courtroom)
At the point that your life is really on the line and you have made the decision to fire, I hope you don't waste time trying to yell out a warning! That would be about the most foolish thing a person could possibly do.
August 5th, 2012 02:59 AM
The first incling the intruder who has broken in will get that suggest their plan of robbery, rape, or murder has gone wrong, will be a flash, boom, and finally fade to black.
Police have to notify because they are representing the law, a homeowner at 3am whose house is being broken into does not have to disclose their name rank serial number and caliber model and ammo type before defending their life.
August 5th, 2012 07:42 AM
And how many angels can dance on the heqad of a pin?
Here's the thing, suppose you DO announce before shooting and the perp lives and lies and says you didn't announce... What happens?
suppose you don't announce and the perp doesn't live.. and you say you did. Who's going to argue the point?
You don't announce, the perp lives and says you didn't while you say you did - he just didn't hear you.
What are you asking for with this announcement issue; a signed statement from the perp before you defend yourself?
Yes, not all states have Castle Doctrine formally ensconced in their regulations. Yes, some states require that you attempt to retreat -IF YOU CAN DO SO SAFELY.
You need to know what yoru state's regs are.
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