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Home intruder: do you have to announce that you're armed?

This is a discussion on Home intruder: do you have to announce that you're armed? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by tricolordad No, but you also want to keep your own ass out of jail. No reason for a victim to unnecessarily turn ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    No, but you also want to keep your own ass out of jail. No reason for a victim to unnecessarily turn into a criminal because he/she didn't have knowlege of state law.
    I will worry about that after he's dead and me and my son are safe.
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    If your state requires you to issue a verbal warning before firing, then you did (whether you did or not). That's simple enough.

    There are potentially 2 different scenarios we are looking at here:

    1. Intruder outside, attempting to gain entry.
    2. Intruder inside.

    In case 1, a warning may prevent entry, which is probably better.
    In case 2, a warning may prevent your having to shoot someone.

    Most people would probably prefer to avoid having to deal with the aftermath of a shooting. So it depends on the situation and what the intruder is doing and where you are, etc. There's a continuum of possibilities that range from the need to immediately open fire without hesitation to having a chat with the person in question. Could just be a drunk or mentally ill person, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    If your state requires you to issue a verbal warning before firing, then you did (whether you did or not). That's simple enough.

    There are potentially 2 different scenarios we are looking at here:

    1. Intruder outside, attempting to gain entry.
    2. Intruder inside.

    In case 1, a warning may prevent entry, which is probably better.
    In case 2, a warning may prevent your having to shoot someone.

    Most people would probably prefer to avoid having to deal with the aftermath of a shooting. So it depends on the situation and what the intruder is doing and where you are, etc. There's a continuum of possibilities that range from the need to immediately open fire without hesitation to having a chat with the person in question. Could just be a drunk or mentally ill person, for example.
    Drunks and specialy mentally ill people are still capable violence and prone to irrational thought and or actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    If your state requires you to issue a verbal warning before firing, then you did (whether you did or not). That's simple enough.

    There are potentially 2 different scenarios we are looking at here:

    1. Intruder outside, attempting to gain entry.
    2. Intruder inside.

    In case 1, a warning may prevent entry, which is probably better.
    In case 2, a warning may prevent your having to shoot someone.

    Most people would probably prefer to avoid having to deal with the aftermath of a shooting. So it depends on the situation and what the intruder is doing and where you are, etc. There's a continuum of possibilities that range from the need to immediately open fire without hesitation to having a chat with the person in question. Could just be a drunk or mentally ill person, for example.
    Maybe offer them some tea and a sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    If your state requires you to issue a verbal warning before firing, then you did (whether you did or not). That's simple enough.

    There are potentially 2 different scenarios we are looking at here:

    1. Intruder outside, attempting to gain entry.
    2. Intruder inside.

    In case 1, a warning may prevent entry, which is probably better.
    In case 2, a warning may prevent your having to shoot someone.

    Most people would probably prefer to avoid having to deal with the aftermath of a shooting. So it depends on the situation and what the intruder is doing and where you are, etc. There's a continuum of possibilities that range from the need to immediately open fire without hesitation to having a chat with the person in question. Could just be a drunk or mentally ill person, for example.
    I agree to an extent, however, they have milliseconds to convince me not to end their unauthorized intrusion into my home!
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    There is also the probability the BG is armed also, which announcing anything will also announce your position and any element of surprise giving the BG and general location to shoot if he so chooses.

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    Seeing that I don't wish to clean up a bloody mess, if circumstances allow, I will give one and only one command to freeze. Other than that, the only announcement will be the report of a .45 auto discharging.
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    Georgia Law states
    Defense of habitation; (here habitation means dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business) A person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:

    A person is breaking\has broken into your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, and you think that the intruder is going to assault you or someone else living there.
    A person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters the residence and you know it is an unlawful entry.
    The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.

    So as another member put it "Pssst.........BANG...........Hello 911"

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    I know of no law in any state which requires you to announce that you are armed prior to employing lethal force to defend your life.

    What constitutes a lethal threat can happen in the blink of an eye and to impose such a requirement on a person is to completely undermine the spirit of self defense as a concept and legal right. No state is going to do that.

    The attorney's who advised you otherwise are likely tax attorneys and know not what they are speaking about. Certainly not criminal defense attorneys.

    What is important to know, is what are your state laws concerning castle doctrine and home break-ins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    However, if you are in Wisconsin, Castle Doctrine applies BUT this is Wisconsin, so you'll want to retreat and announce that you have a weapon. Unfortunately, that can give your position away. You can't just shoot here, you have to be in fear for your life, and the police, DA, judge and jury ALL have to believe it also. Remember to keep your finger off the trigger unless you're absolutely ready to shoot. Once you pull the trigger, there is no going back. There's no reset button. It changes you and the way you think feel and act FOREVER.
    With proper shot placement, the bad guy won't be able to lie to police/judge/jury about whether or not you properly communicated your intention to defend yourself and your family.
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    My announcement would include a bright flash to aid the perpetrator in seeing in the dark that I am here and armed...and just in case he is blind, it would also be accompanied by a loud bang. That terrible recurring case of laryngitis...I was yelling it, but nothing was coming out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwinston View Post
    Georgia Law states
    Defense of habitation; (here habitation means dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business) A person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:

    A person is breaking\has broken into your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, and you think that the intruder is going to assault you or someone else living there.
    A person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters the residence and you know it is an unlawful entry.
    The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.

    So as another member put it "Pssst.........BANG...........Hello 911"
    In FL, the simple act of having to "open" an unlocked door is forcible entry. No kick-in required.
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    I am gonna shoot.....not give away i am armed or where i am, and when leo arrives,sorry leos for this comment, but i am gonna ask for a lawyer before i answer any questions, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    With proper shot placement, the bad guy won't be able to lie to police/judge/jury about whether or not you properly communicated your intention to defend yourself and your family.
    Wisconsin law does not require you to announce you have a weapon in a home invasion. See: Post #55
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    He isnt announcing he is coming in? Why do i have to shout IM HERE AND IM ARMED? Tactics and protection for your family over annoucing im there

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