NotMallNinja you are correct it has turned into my pee pee is bigger than yours. Sorry this is a long one gang but I wanted to make sure that all the questions were answered. Please excuse any spelling or other errors as it is late and I am tired.
You "set no standard for anyone" but continually tell us we are wrong. I never claimed to be Michael Strahan, but I am in perfectly good physical condition. I am neither 80 pounds overweight or of old age. I am 28, 6'3" and 235 lbs, I exercise daily, own a treadmill for those rainy and snowy days and sometimes I can be seen chucking lumber just because I'm bored. I will outrun and outwork you ANY DAY you choose.
At any point did I say "YOU" in regards to the 100 yard dash comment? I was using it as an example but I sure am glad you think you can outrun and outwork a 51 year old I may surprise you though. I would be worried if you couldn't. I am glad you exercise daily as do I but alas I have no lumber to chuck so I guess you will outdo me on that. I did notice you did not say outshoot though, but that is just feeding into the pee pee thing so let's not go there.
I bet a good percentage of us could. Yesterday using .40 and .22 pistols with 8 and 10 round magazines plus one each, I did that advancing the 40 yards from the end of my driveway to the treeline at a jog and hit an old breakroom microwave every time. 20 holes in an unpunctured working device. I'd say that's slightly better than a 6 inch target from across a bedroom. And I'm out of practice.
Here is simply another difference of opinion, you say a good percentage could, I say they couldn't the difference is I am not butt hurt about it. This drill you did has exactly what to do with the scenario? It is good you are practicing but hitting a microwave oven which is what, 2 ft by 2 ft is a little different than shooting a 1-2 inch target at 7 yards. I did not start the "6 inch target" topic someone else did stating that it was an acceptable standard for accuracy in this situation again I used it as an example as to what others think is acceptable marksmanship for the given scenario.
That's your opinion. You can't tell anybody how the scenario would play out in their home. I respect your resume, if indeed it is true, but again, you can't tell us that you know all the variables that could come into play in a home different from yours or the homes you've seen. Every situation is different.
Ummmmmm....yes and? That is my opinion and it said nothing about how the scenario would play out in someone else's home. Unless you know something I don't the laws regarding phyics, ballistics and marksmanship the laws are the same worldwide pretty much.
You are correct no one could know all the variables never claimed to, again I brought up some of those variables such as the training of the individual, the type of equipment or what the bad guy might do but the basic fundementals of marksmanship and human anatomy are all the same whether it is the bedroom in your house or my living room so you still have to have the skillset and mindset to do it.
As far as your comments in regards to my resume or lack thereof I do the job I do and receive the salary I do because of what I know and my ability to transfer that knowledge into real world enviroments it matters not whether you believe it or not.
Are you getting competitive with a 17 year old girl?! She's a good shot, I never claimed that she's Marion Cobra. I was giving you an example to help you understand that you're not the only crack shot around. Also, I said she's my WIFE'S sister. That would make her a sister in law
I am not getting competitive with anyone. I am glad she is a good shot and she practices. Again I used it as an example. You stated she could shot one inch groups at 7 yards after firing hundreds of rounds of ammo. I merely asked the question could she simply pick up a gun right now and do it today without any warm up or pre practice, in other words "doing it cold?". It is the same question I asked of others and of you.
Yes I consider myself a good shooter and I worked my butt off to get there and to maintain that level of proficiency. There are folks that are better than me and outshoot me, others I outshoot them. I shoot have shot against SF "A" Team operators, SWAT cops, civilians and get smoked and other days I smoke them, but I don't jump up and down and celebrate and damn sure don't pout about it.
If a shooter is good I will be the first to tell him and ask for his advice to make me better but on the same token if a person does not shoot well and acts like he/she is the next olympic champion that is where I have a problem and will tell him that also. My gosh you are right that makes her your sister in law not your sister, a thousand pardons.
Again, that is your opinion on Frontsite. Opinions aren't fact. Show me a study that proves that Frontsite does nothing for the average shooter.
Oooooo, yes call me out about my proficiency with an M9 lol Ever see somebody hold a .5" group rapid fire on the average pistol range? I have. It's amazing no matter what you're shooting.
Back to the opinion thing again. There have been numerous posts in regards to Front Sight, two words, not one, with the last word being "SIGHT" not site, since you are so big on correcting errors. Anyways you are correct opinions are not fact but I sure do try to base my opinion on it. In your inital comment you stated that it was one of the top training schools or something like that then in your reply you state
Show me a study that proves that Frontsite does nothing for the average shooter. the key change you made was "average shooter".
I will answer this the same as I have with every post regarding Front Sight. It is a basic training school. For someone who has never been to any formal training it is the cat's meow. Some of their classes allow the average citizen to do things, shoot automatic weapons, go through shoot houses, that they would not get to do otherwise which is fantastic. They may have great trainers and training for the basic shooter however they do have the mentality do it my way or not at all in regards to their techniques. I have never trained with them wherein lies the second half of my "opinion". I do not know if I am even allowed to train there.
My main problem with Front Sight is with the owner not the training offered per se.
Myself and a few others who dared questioned Dr. Pizza Guy in regards to him using a video of a young deputy being gunned down as a marketing campaign and his involvement in a Ponzi scheme, the selling of land, homes and so on that did not or never will exist, so we are not in his good graces. One member of Glocktalk who applied for a class was actually sent an email stating that because of his comments on Glocktalk he was banned from training there. So there lies my "opinion" of Front Sight.
In regards to your proficiency with your M9 you brought it up I didn't. You stated that you have had people with pocket guns outshoot you when you were armed with a full size duty pistol and I merely stated if someone with a pocket rocket, J frame, .380 or whatever, is outshooting you go to the range and shoot more as that is not really up to snuff by anyone's standards. Here is where I get a bit confused. In your reply to my post you tell of your remarkable marksmanship in your driveway against the evil microwave oven and how you could make the cold shot needed on a small target in the heat of the moment but yet someone with a J frame/whatever outshoots you while you are armed with a full size duty gun?
Yes I have grown up seeing shooters do that very thing at varying distances and it shows they have the fundementals of marksmanship and take pride in their shooting ability. Again this is where you and I differ. I read your post in regards to your father, mine was a bit different. My father is a retired Marine Corps M/Gysgt who shot on the Marine Corps Rifle and Pistol team for years and years.
He was a member of the President's 100 and was a Distinguished Marksman in every category he shot in both rifle and pistol so I learned from the best teachers around. Many of his fellow team mates were chosen for the U.S. Olympic team for several years with my point being this. I stated in an earlier post that the shot itself, a little over an inch or even the T zone at 7 yards, is not in itself difficult if you have the marksmanship ability. The hard part comes having the emotional disconnect and the mindset to take and make the shot.
I'm willing to stake my family's LIVES on it.
More power to you because that is exactly what you are going to have to do as I will have to stake my families life on my ability along with everyone else.
I have! I have also used a Benelli breach model to blow the hinges out from the other side of the wall while my buddies kicked the door in. Once we even drove our HMMVW into it to knock an extra tough steel door down. Do you think a man with the Combat Infantryman's badge would carry a weapon without knowing its every quirk?! You're starting to become redundant. BTW, I've cleared many houses in my time. I think I would be able to clear my own without your help. And guess what? I've got a hidden stairwell with padded carpeting on the stairs. I can clear it and come back from another angle. Not even my kids know it's there because it comes out in my office which is off limits to even the wife. Gotta love old farmhouses!
Ok again good for you, but that is you. How many forum members or average accountants with a CCW can say the same thing. If you have the experience great but the majority don't. I am happy that you have a secret stairwell/room but guess what? I have a little door in my bathroom next to my toilet that goes under my jacuzzi tub that does not lead anywhere except to the plumbing for the tub, no carpeting just concrete though, so there! On more than one occasion I was ready to do a dynamic entry and before breaching the door reached up and found it to be unlocked so there is more than one way to skin a cat. You are beginning to sound like a 6 year old but whatever flips your cookie.
You know who is and isn't training? Don't be silly lol you didn't know about this soldier...
If you would care to look at the numerous threads posted by myself and others in regards to training you would see what I am talking about, and guess what, myself and several others call on the phone, skype and yahoo messenger on a regular basis and talk about this very subject, so I am not being silly when I say who is and isn't training simply look at the topics and the responses. Yep you are right again I don't know about you that is why I proposed questions, actions, reactions, scenarios, variables and so on to you and others to get a response, to get an answer of what you can do an just maybe help somebody else.
Unless he decides to shoot them anyways. He may wait for you to open to see him and then as soon as you see him with the gun to your kid's head he may pull the trigger. Or if you open your mouth to try and reason with him, then he might know that you can't multitask under extreme stress either. POW! In that case your hesitation killed them. It's amazing it took you this long to give your answer since you act like you have all the answers. The truth is, there is no telling what would happen, even for the average holier-than-thou professional. You say you're not ripping anybody's post, yet you work hard on dissecting any and every post you disagree with. I posted nothing different than anybody else, yet I caught the majority of the flak. Guess if I had a cool name like tacman I wouldn't be under the microscope. But alas, I named my profile after my DCUs *sigh*
Yep he might shoot them all the minute I call out, he might throw down the gun when confronted your right we never know only the man upstairs does. I presented options and asked questions of what others would do to make them think. Just like Lima stated there are other things to consider in the overall picture. If I am not mistaken I stated what I would do in my original post in this topic but I will go back and look to make sure.
Yes I analyze and take apart statements it is my mindset but in turn I ask questions at to why or would this work better/worse and so on. You see that is one of the major differences between you and me. You life a simple life I don't (I do not know if you are still in the military or what you do for a living). I am paid to see things that are not right, out of the ordinary and so on then correct them before bad things may happen.
I don't know about you but I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time it is incorporated into my training whenever possible. I can hold a suspect at gunpoint and talk on the radio at the same time, I can fire my rifle and reload all the while seeking cover. I can disassemble most weapons while reciting a bible passage or answering questions about another totally different weapon, it's called training junior.
Is it required for the average person to do it? Nope. Do I look down on those that can't or simply don't want to? Nope. I have stated before what is high speed to you is another day at the office for me. It is not my life it is their's and they alone will have to do whatever it takes to survive at that moment.
Will I continue to analyze, ask questions, give variables, call a spade a spade? You damn right I will so if you don't like my posts, theories, statements or whatever don't reply. I would rather you did reply with specific rebuttal, comments or whatever it keeps it interesting. I do not know how you have come to the conclusion that you have received most of all this abuse. I used a couple of statements from your post simply because it was the closest one to copy from. Again I am sorry if you are offended, feel chastised or just plain butt hurt that was not my intention nor will it be but if you are offended or otherwise butt hurt by these posts and comments maybe you should not participate.
In regards to my screename it was given to me on the street during the era of the movie "Colors" where Sean Penn played a cop with the nickname "Pacman". One day during after serving a warrant a suspect yelled out "look out it's Pacman". My reply was do I look like a yellow bouncing ball? He simply looked and stated ok "Tacman" then and it stuck. I hope that suppresses the question, schoolyard jealousy or envy regarding my cool screen name. Your screen name makes perfect sense now as I was trying to figure out what it meant.
I'm not going to post anymore regarding this scenario as my input regarding my action and reason for it was not welcome in the first place.
Well sorry to see this your input was welcome. Just because someone questions your reasoning does not mean it is a personal attack, but you do as you see fit. I bet you though that our viewpoints are not that far apart. Many a friendship has developed on this forum with people who started out bumping heads. It all starts with a PM up to you though.