A comment from Col. Grossman on the targeting of victims
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August 25th, 2012 12:44 PM
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A comment from Col. Grossman on the targeting of victims
Recently a comment was posted that I couldn't agree with more "The way you carry yourself and not the fact you carry a weapon is what will make a bad guy pause". Here is a comment from Col. Grossman on that very topic and although he uses the term which I personally can't stand, sheepdog, it fits perfectly.
There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory acts of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa..., when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.
However, when there were cues given by potential victims that indicated they would not go easily, the cons said that they would walk away. If the cons sensed that the target was a "counter-predator," that is, a sheepdog, they would leave him alone unless there was no other choice but to engage.
Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, On Combat
If you look like a victim you will be treated as such. One of the reasons NYPD's decoy unit is so successful is that they have the look of an easy victim down pat. The bad guy just like was stated about the big cats cannot resist an easy meal.
No matter how you carry be aware of your surroundings, make eye contact with people, think about what is going on around you, if it does not look or feel right it probably isn't. In a parking lot take a moment to scan the areas around you before you get out of the car. Take a second look as you get out and stand up and take a final look as you reach the rear, or front depending on direction of travel, and leave the safety of your vehicle.
A person intent on causing you harm will notice these actions and may decide to wait for someone else to come along.
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. (WETSU)
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August 25th, 2012 12:44 PM
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August 25th, 2012 12:57 PM
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A good post! Thanks for sharing.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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August 25th, 2012 12:57 PM
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Good tips...
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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August 25th, 2012 02:25 PM
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August 25th, 2012 02:46 PM
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I don't carry a gun to look for or start a fight. I carry one to finish a fight I never wanted to be in.
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August 25th, 2012 03:13 PM
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In the book Warrior Mindset, by Brad Thor, Michael J. Asken, Lt Col Dave Grossman and Loren Christensen, there is a quote used in the very beginning, by a man named Benjamin Disraeli.... The quote went like this: "The secret of success in life is for a man to be ready for his time when it comes" ... I firmly believe that applies right along with Tacman's OP. You must continually TRAIN to be ready...Training not only includes Tactics, Skill, and the ability to run your weapon, but more importantly MINDSET and AWARENESS...JMO
Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.
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August 25th, 2012 09:44 PM
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I walk down the street like I own it and look everybody over.
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August 25th, 2012 09:59 PM
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Beware that there are certain times when 'the look' will do what you need, but the 'stare down' becomes a challenge (especially in gang territory). Yes, presenting yourself as a hard target is a very good approach.
Thanks for posting.
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August 25th, 2012 10:00 PM
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Good advice, but keep in mind that desperate times call for desperate measures. If a druggie needs his fix and you're the only one around, then it doesn't really matter how you present yourself. Likewise, if you're specifically targeted due to what you are carrying, what you drive, where you are, etc., then things can still get ugly.
I think how you present yourself is very useful, but being aware is more important.
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August 25th, 2012 10:34 PM
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I completely agree. I've been meaning to get the book on killing. Might just do that tonight.
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August 25th, 2012 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by
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They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa..., when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.
Though only one aspect, it's certainly a big part of preparedness: avoiding being seen as a weak member of the group, looking like defenseless food.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does
disarming victims
reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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August 25th, 2012 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by
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Beware that there are certain times when 'the look' will do what you need, but the 'stare down' becomes a challenge (especially in gang territory). Yes, presenting yourself as a hard target is a very good approach.
Thanks for posting.
I am in full agreement with this. There is a fine line that a person must not step over as some folks do take a direct stare as a provocation. You have to appear as aware but not look as though you are challenging anyone.
Michael
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August 25th, 2012 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
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I am in full agreement with this. There is a fine line that a person must not step over as some folks do take a direct stare as a provocation. You have to appear as aware but not look as though you are challenging anyone.
Michael
That is where the slow head nod comes in. It says "I see you and acknowledge you" all at the same time.
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August 26th, 2012 01:52 AM
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You are correct there is that fine line. Acknowledge the people around you but don't go to the point of antagonizing them.
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. (WETSU)
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August 26th, 2012 09:00 AM
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I don't know that I try to show any attitude other than that of confidence, not a challenge but confidence and not any fear. Even though I may be shaking in my boots, don't let it show.
Be aware and confident in your ability,
It's gotta be who you are, not a hobby. reinman45
"Is this persons bad behavior worth me having to kill them over?" Guantes
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