At a circle K tonight......road rage turned to armed roberery...kind of

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    At a circle K tonight......road rage turned to armed roberery...kind of

    so this is how it goes down. your traveling home from the mall at 9PM and take a random exit off the I-10 in phoenix looking for a cup of coffee. That random exit was Broadway. we travel north about 2 blocks and see a circle K on the corner. It is on the South west corner. This is now Broadway and Priest. We park in the handicap location right by the door as my wife does not walk well. So we go in with our 6 year old daughter with us to get coffee. they enter the store and a truck dodge ram comes tires squealing up to the red light in the center lane coming from the West on Priest. The two Hispanic 20 somethings start yelling at a small white datson looking pick up in the far right lane toward the curb. I hear it first then keep watching. the small white truck turns the corner and the larger truck fallows tired spinning. the smaller truck travels another 15 feet and turns into the circle K parking lot. the bigger truck fallows. the larger truck then cuts off the smaller truck and they both stop right behind where we parked. No way to get out. so, to the back of the store is where I direct my wife and told Jaz (Jazlyn) to stay right by here mom. by that time the 2 20 somethings in the larger truck have gotten out and started smashing the windshield with a pair of nunchucks. I tell the counter guy to call 911 as he has a road rage indecent happening right outside his front door. His response? "Oh really?" and he goes to look. no phone. So I head to the back with my wife and child. he comes back from gauking and calls to report it. 2 more minutes and I peek out. They are not behind out truck anymore so I assume they have both left. we head out. as we reach the door I see the smaller truck by the pumps and ageist the brick wall, windshield smashed. The larger truck is at the pumps ahead of the other truck. I see 3 people in the lot talking animated. one older guy and 2 younger ones in white tank tops. We make it to our truck and get the two of them inside. as I am walking to the drivers door the three pass by. The overheard conversation was that the small white truck did a hit and run. That is why he was being chased. the two tank top guys were escorting him into the circle K so he could get $300 out of his account and give it to them.

    That to me sounds 100% like armed robbery. two 20 year old guys, one armed with the nunchucks he broke out the windshield with, vs a 40ish year old guy. hit and run or not.

    my decision, leave the area, relay what was over heard and seen to the police.
    all the time I had my XD40sc with me and in my holster. I thought about drawing it when they screeched into the lot in case they were coming inside. I decided to wait and see. I am glad I did. while small truck guy was in danger of serious bodily injury or death, my family was not. they were out of the line of fire and behind cover if they two groups came to that. during what I saw as an armed robery I was not inclined to get involve eather. my priority is my family. sorry for him, I hope the police showed up in time. We left.

    my hindsite it was a mistake to go out the door with out looking around first. BUT, they were going in as we were out by 10 feet so we would have been stuck in the middle of it if we stayed.
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    Sounds like you did good, if you or your family isn't in danger then I see no reason to get involved. Let the police handle it.

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    I agree, no direct threat to you or your family, let the police handle it.

    Not sure I'd classify it as an armed robbery. Without having heard everything that was said, it could have been several different things.
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    Yep you did the right thing. Approaching them could of got you attacked,them shot and the police showing up weapons drawn.

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    You did the right thing. Pulling your weapon and rushing in is not self defense. Avoid conflict. Which is what you did. I am impressed by the fact that you were concerned about the safety of your family first and foremost.

    There were lots of details in this altercation that you just didn't have. What appeared to be one thing could have actually been another thing entirely. You did your part as a citizen. You informed the cashier of the situation, moved your family out of harms way and then absorbed details to report to the police.
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    I don't think anyone can say you did wrong, you got yourself and your family home safe. And you did not know the full details of what was going on.

    But lets change this scenario just a little......YOU are now the guy in the small truck getting your windshield broke. What do you DO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    I don't think anyone can say you did wrong, you got yourself and your family home safe. And you did not know the full details of what was going on.

    But lets change this scenario just a little......YOU are now the guy in the small truck getting your windshield broke. What do you DO!
    I'm thinking that 2 guys with nunchucks constitutes a disparity of force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    I'm thinking that 2 guys with nunchucks constitutes a disparity of force.

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    No doubt. Two guys armed and menacing. Shooting would seem to be justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    No doubt. Two guys armed and menacing. Shooting would seem to be justified.
    That would depend on if you instigated the confrontation.
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    my decision, leave the area, relay what was over heard and seen to the police.
    Good enough. The only thing I would add as advice is that those Circle Ks and the like seem to be trouble magnets at night and not the best places to be taking the family for coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    That would depend on if you instigated the confrontation.
    But even if there was a hit and run DOES that justify an attack with nunchucks? or a call to 911?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    That would depend on if you instigated the confrontation.
    Well, he said pretend I was the guy in the small truck and I wouldn't have instigated the situation. But never-the-less, not sure that, say, flipping a couple of guys off warrants an attack with a deadly weapon. Once it was to that point all bets are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    YOU are now the guy in the small truck getting your windshield broke. What do you DO!
    If we are to play what if games, what is the scenario leading up to this altercation? As I have said before, it takes 2 to tango.
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    You did the right thing. Like to think I would have done the same.

    Oh, and you did right by the coffee too....Circle Ks is the best. I prefer it over Starbucks and all that other bitter garbage out there.

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    Extortion, plain and simple--call the police.
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