Originally Posted by msgt/ret
That about sums it up.
Sign of the times.
When I was a youngster, one of my "toy" guns was an actual (though inoperable) S&W .38 revolver. None of the neighbors ever said a word. Of course, that was back in the '50s and every household had guns.
We should take this serious. We all know that airsoft guns hurt and can be used as a good deterrent against bad people.......:rolleyes:
On the flip side, if you are that scared, call 911, and get out of dodge.
Yeah why are you painting the muzzle black
Originally Posted by Ionracas
Dude, even if the group with the rifles was a known threat I wouldn't engage. I'd get small and punch it to get out of the kill zone ASAP and call the cops once I was clear. If my vehicle was disabled or I was hit my plans may change and involve trying to take cover and fight, but that would be a last resort. Stopping in the middle of an ambush to try to fight your way out of it when you are wildly outnumbered and outgunned is a great example of bad tactics any way you look at it. Especially bad when you have options that include distance, a working vehicle, and a clear route ahead of you.
By the time you drew and fired you could have been a block down the road.
Look both ways an hit the gas.
On a similarly serious note, here is another outcome of this situation in which the punk had a real firearm.
Nathaniel Abraham, killer at 11, sentenced in unrelated drug case | MLive.com
Abraham, who pleaded guilty in November to possession with intent to deliver a controlled substance, made national headlines when he fatally shot Ronnie Greene, 18, of Pontiac on Oct. 29, 1997. The then-11-year-old was arrested two days later and convicted in November 1999 of second-degree murder.
Greene never saw it coming.
Parents need to teach their children what not to point their guns at, even if they are only BB guns or airsoft.
I would escape and use the car as cover and drive to the next area and make a call to police.
There are times... oh nevermind...
Eh, heck with it.... I'd never do it... but ya know... sometimes these kids think it's cool.. and you also know that some have been killed by police who did not know it was a toy gun ...
Just once, I'd like to see 'em wet themselves... get out of the car and (because it's only done in hollywood...) rack the slide, pointing at the sky... and just see how they react.
If you believe they are real guns, what are your chances of survival if you engage? If you believe they are toy guns, why would you engage?
Drive on, Call 911, hope they get a cop that can identify a toy gun...
I am wondering where all the CCW warriors are. If this was in a mall would people engage to save the lives of others? I would not assume they were carrying airsoft guns as that could put my life in jeapordy and I would assume the worst. I don't know if they are some Al Quaeda sleeper cell or some radical Mormon militia or some left wing guerillas and I am not going to chance it. I would like to say I would draw and start putting rounds on target.
If it was a real threat you would most certainly lose trying to outdraw 4 armed men with rifles pointed at you while you are seated in a stationary vehicle. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean it is your best bet at survival or your only option. Odds of living increase with distance from the threat. Your foot on the gas pedal would give you the best chance at surviving.
Keeping vehicles moving and getting them out of the kill zone is Combat Convoy 101....and that is in heavily armed and armored vehicles.
As for the mall, I will only engage if I am confronted by the threat head on and have no option for seeking cover or escaping. I am not a cop. I am not the SWAT team. I am no longer an Infantryman. I don't have backup. I am an armed civilian and my job is to protect myself and my family, not clear a mall.
First of all your scenario is rigged. It does not ask what I would do if stopped at an intersection and observed young men aiming rifles at me.
What you have asked me is if I would shoot at boys with airsoft rifles. You even painted them as evil by telling me they had shot animals with them. How would I know that?
But for the sake of answering what I think you intended to ask me; I am at intersection that I just stopped at. So my car or truck is running, foot is inches from the gas pedal and the car is pointed in what I assume to be a direction away from the attackers since you didn't say they 'approached' the vehicle.
The attackers already have weapons trained on me and need less than a second to pull the trigger. If I try to draw on them the best I could probably do is 2.5 seconds. Plus, with multiple attackers it would almost certainly be suicide. I might get one of them if I'm really good but I'm a sitting target for the other attackers as they only need to pull a trigger. (Don't like this one as I am not a big fan of being riddled with bullets).
In one second I could slam the gas pedal down as I duck and go through the intersection getting me off of the X. (I choose this one).
Self-Defense doesn't always require me to shoot someone. Avoiding the conflict is my best chance of survival. If I can't avoid it and I am threatened then prepare to be perforated.
So there are a lot of 10 year old boy terrorist sleeper cells in the US these days?
Originally Posted by Toorop
When I was a kid we had very realistic looking toy guns. Wooden stocks, steel barrels and working bolts or lever mechanisms. I do not recall the cops or anyone else killing the kids who were playing with them. I also do not recall to many parents at the time who did not teach their children not to point a weapon or anything that looked like one at strangers. I also remember that very few of my friends did not know the proper way to hand someone a knife, holding the blade and offering them the handle.
Originally Posted by rjwrightohio
These things were all taught by the parents. Now days we wring our hands placing blame on the toy manufactures and police. All the while giving the parents a pass.