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September 2nd, 2012 10:31 AM
Originally Posted by msgt/ret
That about sums it up.
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September 2nd, 2012 03:42 PM
Sign of the times.
When I was a youngster, one of my "toy" guns was an actual (though inoperable) S&W .38 revolver. None of the neighbors ever said a word. Of course, that was back in the '50s and every household had guns.
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September 2nd, 2012 04:24 PM
We should take this serious. We all know that airsoft guns hurt and can be used as a good deterrent against bad people.......
On the flip side, if you are that scared, call 911, and get out of dodge.
Don"t let stupid be your skill set....
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September 2nd, 2012 04:53 PM
Yeah why are you painting the muzzle black
Originally Posted by Ionracas
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
September 2nd, 2012 06:37 PM
Dude, even if the group with the rifles was a known threat I wouldn't engage. I'd get small and punch it to get out of the kill zone ASAP and call the cops once I was clear. If my vehicle was disabled or I was hit my plans may change and involve trying to take cover and fight, but that would be a last resort. Stopping in the middle of an ambush to try to fight your way out of it when you are wildly outnumbered and outgunned is a great example of bad tactics any way you look at it. Especially bad when you have options that include distance, a working vehicle, and a clear route ahead of you.
By the time you drew and fired you could have been a block down the road.
Last edited by sparkykb; September 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 PM.
September 2nd, 2012 07:10 PM
Look both ways an hit the gas.
On a similarly serious note, here is another outcome of this situation in which the punk had a real firearm.
Nathaniel Abraham, killer at 11, sentenced in unrelated drug case | MLive.com
Abraham, who pleaded guilty in November to possession with intent to deliver a controlled substance, made national headlines when he fatally shot Ronnie Greene, 18, of Pontiac on Oct. 29, 1997. The then-11-year-old was arrested two days later and convicted in November 1999 of second-degree murder.
Greene never saw it coming.
Parents need to teach their children what not to point their guns at, even if they are only BB guns or airsoft.
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September 2nd, 2012 09:00 PM
I would escape and use the car as cover and drive to the next area and make a call to police.
September 2nd, 2012 10:22 PM
There are times... oh nevermind...
Eh, heck with it.... I'd never do it... but ya know... sometimes these kids think it's cool.. and you also know that some have been killed by police who did not know it was a toy gun ...
Just once, I'd like to see 'em wet themselves... get out of the car and (because it's only done in hollywood...) rack the slide, pointing at the sky... and just see how they react.
It could be worse!
September 3rd, 2012 08:31 AM
If you believe they are real guns, what are your chances of survival if you engage? If you believe they are toy guns, why would you engage?
The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.
September 3rd, 2012 09:29 AM
Drive on, Call 911, hope they get a cop that can identify a toy gun...
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September 3rd, 2012 09:59 AM
I am wondering where all the CCW warriors are. If this was in a mall would people engage to save the lives of others? I would not assume they were carrying airsoft guns as that could put my life in jeapordy and I would assume the worst. I don't know if they are some Al Quaeda sleeper cell or some radical Mormon militia or some left wing guerillas and I am not going to chance it. I would like to say I would draw and start putting rounds on target.
September 3rd, 2012 10:15 AM
If it was a real threat you would most certainly lose trying to outdraw 4 armed men with rifles pointed at you while you are seated in a stationary vehicle. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean it is your best bet at survival or your only option. Odds of living increase with distance from the threat. Your foot on the gas pedal would give you the best chance at surviving.
Keeping vehicles moving and getting them out of the kill zone is Combat Convoy 101....and that is in heavily armed and armored vehicles.
As for the mall, I will only engage if I am confronted by the threat head on and have no option for seeking cover or escaping. I am not a cop. I am not the SWAT team. I am no longer an Infantryman. I don't have backup. I am an armed civilian and my job is to protect myself and my family, not clear a mall.
September 3rd, 2012 12:41 PM
September 3rd, 2012 01:37 PM
So there are a lot of 10 year old boy terrorist sleeper cells in the US these days?
Originally Posted by Toorop
September 3rd, 2012 02:15 PM
When I was a kid we had very realistic looking toy guns. Wooden stocks, steel barrels and working bolts or lever mechanisms. I do not recall the cops or anyone else killing the kids who were playing with them. I also do not recall to many parents at the time who did not teach their children not to point a weapon or anything that looked like one at strangers. I also remember that very few of my friends did not know the proper way to hand someone a knife, holding the blade and offering them the handle.
Originally Posted by rjwrightohio
These things were all taught by the parents. Now days we wring our hands placing blame on the toy manufactures and police. All the while giving the parents a pass.
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