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This is a discussion on Depression within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; 20 some years ago I was struggling with a personal issue. It wasn't depression but it was scrambling my eggs fairly well. I finally decided ...

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    20 some years ago I was struggling with a personal issue. It wasn't depression but it was scrambling my eggs fairly well. I finally decided to call the employee help line that many HR departments post around your respective work areas. I already felt better by making that decision. I called and made an appointment, felt better still. I went 2 or 3 times to "the place" so some nice lady could listen to me blather about stuff she couldn't effect anyway, but I still felt better about things. Finally she said that she was going to send me on to someone else and, btw, that it was gonna start costing me money. No thanks, I think I got it from here, I told her. And I did. The point of this being, just the act of responding to your own requirements can be a fine beginning. I'd always been a hard case about "professional help" being a waste. Don't know if it was their help or my own but it got me through a briar patch. Good luck.
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    Living through personal hard times just takes deciding to do this, not do that, etc. Key? Decide. "This I will do. That I will not do." What we feel puts it's thumb on the scale, but we have a brain and free will.

    ("Simple don't mean easy.")

    Going for official help? Lose rights forever. Just ask the military vets.
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    Cognitive behaviour therapy has statistically good results. Casual exercise has statistically good results.
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    The only acceptable long-term outcome is to find a cure. It's an actual solution, requiring forward-thinking efforts.

    Until then, we're just arguing about who's pushing who.


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    You might suggest a pastor. Prayer and coming to the Lord Jesus worked for me. Plus the side benefits were excellent.
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    Talking to your primary care doctor about anxiety and depression doesn't result in losing your rights.
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    I'll second going to a pastor, but shop around. There're some very intelligent and wise pastors out there.
    The only acceptable long-term outcome is to find a cure. It's an actual solution, requiring forward-thinking efforts.

    Until then, we're just arguing about who's pushing who.


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    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post
    ... don't discount drug-based treatment. They aren't "happy pills". Finding the right combination can work miracles, particularly when used in conjunction with cognitive behavioral therapy.
    I agree, the right combination can work wonderfully. Problem is, diagnosing "chronic depression" is a subjective process. And the popular trend is today is to get treated by a doctor if you're sad. And there is definitely a difference between "I'm sad because things are not going well" and "clinical depression". However, if you go to a doctor you most probably will be diagnosed as clinically depressed, because there is a lot of money to be made in the treatment. Also, doctors are hesitant to NOT diagnose you as clinically depressed because of liability fears if they don't treat you for clinical depression and you subsequently do something tragic.

    On top of all that, finding the right combination and dosage of drugs is a trial an error process too, because everyone's body chemistry is different.

    My point is, our society over-diagnoses and overtreats beginning with childhood. It's scary to learn the percentage of our kids who are drugged up because their parents think they are rambunctious or inattentive or just plain hyper. Or how many adults are drugged up because they feel stressed by their job, the economy, their marriage, their divorce, etc... These are everyday events that we as a society tend to run and get doctor treatment whenever we feel bad!! We throw drugs at any emotional state other than "happy and calm"! Since when has anyone ever had the promise of constant happiness??

    Only get started down that drug path if there's no other option...

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    I would recommend seeking out an LISW. They are licensed independent social workers. Many offer therapy services. They focus more on the mental health aspect than what a sociology focused social worker does. Many can help through motivational interviewing, and help steer the patient towards change. This can help the patient begin to see the patterns and break down barriers that will lead to progress and successful treatment.

    From my experience many will approach it with a more holistic approach if you will. Medication will often be a last option. Many issues can be addressed minus medication. Some cannot but that can be determined during sessions with time. General care physicians and others in psychiatric fields seem quick to prescribe medications. While they do great things the side effects can often be very detrimental. Often times the symptoms can simple be fixed by a change in thoughts and attitudes.

    I would recommend removing guns from their environment. While they may not be in a position that they wish to inflict harm against themselves it removes a temptation. One will have the will to do so while only mildly depressed. Once it begins to take hold stronger they may wish to have that out accessible at all times. To have to go to someone and regain possession of a firearm could raise a red flag that they wish to avoid. If they are willing to hand them over to a trusted individual temporarily it would be wise.

    It tends to be a long uphill battle. Once someone recognizes the problem and wishes to make changes it can finally improve. It is easier with guidance. Especially from a professional. It can take a while to gain some traction, but after one does incredible strides can be made in a brief time. It may not be something big. Perhaps it is only that the person has made it out of bed on time two days in a row, or didn't call off work for an entire week. Once a foundation is laid progress is easier as one as strength to build from. After a while it becomes basic maintenance.

    Many insurances offer coverage for these types of treatment. Some may only be for about 20 to 26 sessions per year. This equates to every other week or so. One would be wise to take advantage of theses services. Even after the depression has subsided it is smart to continue visitations. It helps to keep the individual on track and moving forward. IF they are prone to mental health issues they are likely to arise again.
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    Check your mailbox.
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    +1 on the pastor route: PM me for a stronger pitch. Start with your own, of course (he's your shepherd) but consider also the National Association of Nouthetic Counselors - they have focused, red-blooded Biblical counseling training. Apologies for getting theological... but I was very impressed when I met with a couple of their counselors in dealing with some issues (not depression related, but their clear sight would be likely to help in that realm as well). I've been particularly impressed with the writings of Edward T. Welch, in case the friend might be interested in reading at this point.

    Regarding your specific question: one of our church folk was deteriorating from Agent Orange exposure (he's since died). He was cleaning his guns in the basement and discharged a rifle pointing upward. The bullet passed through the floorboards, ricocheted off the bed frame, and killed his toddler daughter. Our 2A-friendly pastor responded shortly after the ambulance, and took the guns from the home - we feared the fellow might take his own life. It's not an unreasonable action to remove temptation, though his grief wasn't quite the same as the OP's friend's depression.
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    That said, I'd recommend one with advanced theological training. The problem with going to just a regular-ol' pastor is that his advice will have holes and likely his theology will have holes. His theology will be good enough for his congregation, but someone with depressive tendencies will be more likely to notice any errors, and then the benefits of counseling will be eroded. A house built on sand is a perfectly nice vacation spot, but it cannot withstand a storm; likewise, people with depression are less likely to 'fall' for a sales pitch that's supposed to make their lives better.

    Cards on the table; I mentioned that cognitive behaviour therapy really helped. Meta-analysis shows that it's likely the talking to someone who'll listen that causes most of the benefit. This is why I'd recommend a pastor, because, dollars-to-donuts, he cares. Shop around, because a "Jesus*-salesman" won't help; you need someone whose advice or theological understanding cannot be unwound with 5 minutes of conversation with someone of a different faith.

    *God, *Buddah, *Allah, *Vishnu, *whatever your inclination is.
    The only acceptable long-term outcome is to find a cure. It's an actual solution, requiring forward-thinking efforts.

    Until then, we're just arguing about who's pushing who.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    Talking to your primary care doctor about anxiety and depression doesn't result in losing your rights.
    This can't be repeated enough. Neither going to a psychiatrist or seeing a therapist will get your gun ownership rights taken away. That's just nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunTrooper View Post
    I think you should try anything but meds to overcome depression... Whatever is depressing you is probably a passing temporary situation, and once it passes, you will be ok... Just engage your mind and body in constructive pursuits: Read books, exercise, walk, jog, lift weights. Accomplish small things: clean your house/apartment. Detail your car. Sit your guns aside and do small positive constructive things... No self-medication (alcohol or narcotics) and don't run to the doctor for "happy pills".
    UNLESS there is a real "physical" reason behind the depression, I would stay away from rx meds. They may do more harm than good. (That was the case with me) The so-called medical treatment made things 100% worse. I've been 1000% better and my episodes have been reduced to almost ZERO since I fired my doctors & threw away my meds.

    That brings me to the question; "Is your friend on any medication that can cause depression?"


    You would be surprised how much depression is caused by the medications our doctors give us for other things. IMHO; RX medication caused depression is the MOST dangerous kind! But, it can also be the easiest to overcome.


    You need to find the cause: physical, emotional or stress related? Once the cause is found, depression can be a LOT easier to overcome!

    RX meds can cause depression, emotional stress can cause depression or you can have PTSD related depression. Most causes of depression today are emotional or stress related; not physical. So, a good clinical psychologist may help you work through any "emotional" and "stress" issues.

    I've been living with pain 24/7 365 for a while now. So, I do get depressed fttt. There are even occasions when I wish there was a legal way to end my suffering. Today, I depend primarily on my diet, vitamins & supplements to combat anxiety & depression.

    Exercise & activity is a great way to overcome depression. But, it can be hard to "do-it" unless you have an accountability & exercise partner. (Personally, I would like to exercise more. However, the pain is just to intense and I can't really stay on a exercise regimen for very long before I have to take time off to rest & re-cooperate.)

    Surrounding yourself with loving family members & caring friends that will NOT coddle & enable you is another thing that helps. getting involved in a good church where people will pray for you is a good idea. Sometimes, I find that prayer & crying out before God helps cleanse away the pain I feel.

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    Depression also responds reasonably well to placebo treatment, and even responds to placebo treatments that you know are placebo.

    Ergo, Dr. Que prescribes one apple per day ideally before supper.

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    Honest, try one apple per day. Bump this message in a week if you followed the advice.
    The only acceptable long-term outcome is to find a cure. It's an actual solution, requiring forward-thinking efforts.

    Until then, we're just arguing about who's pushing who.


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    I was pretty depressed after seeing the Cowboys score last week 7-27 what the.....uugghhh

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