At what point would you feel justified jumping in?

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View Poll Results: Assuming you are in a public place (store, reasturant, theater or such) and a BG walk

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  • BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible - Demands money

    20 15.27%
  • BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible BUT BG is acting wild/irrational - Demands money

    4 3.05%
  • BG displays a gun - Demands money

    43 32.82%
  • BG displays gun and is acting wild/irrational - Demands money

    24 18.32%
  • BG is herding people to a back room or lining up everyone on their knees

    20 15.27%
  • BG pointing gun at individual(s) and threating imminent death

    12 9.16%
  • BG discharges firearm, but not at a person

    4 3.05%
  • BG shoots someone

    4 3.05%
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    I'm not going to initiate fire to defend the till, or someone else's wallet.
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    5 And higher. Probably. If I feel like it.

    If it isn't me or mine... I probably won't do anything, until I'm outta there.

    It all depends on the "totality of the situation."
    It could be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Would you really? Seems you lose the element of surprise there.
    Sorry that was sarcasm, it doesn't always show up well in forum format
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    After my experience being the employee behind the counter with a gun on me during a robbery, I welcome any skilled help in terminating the threat that has been delivered upon me. If im suddenly involved (as a browsing customer/bystander) in a robbery, and a gun is pointed at any living person, im ending the threat. All it takes is the twitch of a nervous finger and that store clerk is dead. On a greater measure, that clerk / cashier / mother / sister / etc will go home to see their family again. The dead B.G gets to ride to the morgue with the coroner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I'm not going to initiate fire to defend the till, or someone else's wallet.
    You would not be. You would be reacting to a threat to kill. The reason for the threat is simply not relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillep Harding View Post
    You would not be. You would be reacting to a threat to kill. The reason for the threat is simply not relevant.
    Threat assessments, my known abilities and limitations, potential and likely outcomes and aftermaths are all considerations upon which I base my decisions.
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    Flawed poll, like asking, "Do you still beat your wife?" "Jumping in" is open ended, could mean anything from shouting at the guy to calling 911 to shooting him on the spot--or anything in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Flawed poll, like asking, "Do you still beat your wife?" "Jumping in" is open ended, could mean anything from shouting at the guy to calling 911 to shooting him on the spot--or anything in between.
    "Justified" is a loaded concept, as well.
    "When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
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    I"d vote "All of the above", cause it depends on the situation before #5.
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    I voted 3 because at that point he has the means to cause severe bodily harm or death

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    Just curious about the reasoning behind the answers given to the OP. Is it a known legal reason, fear of possible legal action, moral or other reason behind the idea of not acting at the first opportunity after the threat was made? The bad guy has made a threat to kill in in front of witness's.

    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Just curious about the reasoning behind the answers given to the OP. Is it a known legal reason, fear of possible legal action, moral or other reason behind the idea of not acting at the first opportunity after the threat was made? The bad guy has made a threat to kill in in front of witness's.

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    Are you saying by saying "I will kll you" even if a weapon is not seen is enough for your to draw and shoot someone? Not trying to put words in your mouth. But that is how I read it. If I misunderstood can you explain what you meant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Just curious about the reasoning behind the answers given to the OP. Is it a known legal reason, fear of possible legal action, moral or other reason behind the idea of not acting at the first opportunity after the threat was made? The bad guy has made a threat to kill in in front of witness's.

    Michael
    Posts #31&36 explain my rationale about as well as I can explain it.
    "When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
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    Take the threat at face value

    He claims to be armed and demands what is not his. Why would I not believe him? (After all, he's a fine upstanding thug)

    I'll take his claim to be the threat it is and respond accordingly ( with more violence than this mutt has ever seen).

    If it turns out he wasn't armed, maybe he shouldn't have brought his mouth to a gun fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Are you saying by saying "I will kll you" is enough for your to draw and shoot someone? Not trying to put words in your mouth. But that is how I read it. If I misunderstood can you explain what you meant...
    The first example question.
    BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible - Demands money
    By claiming that he has a gun one has to believe that is intended to be a threat to kill or do great bodily harm. Also I believe that in my State the claim of possessing a deadly weapon during a robbery automatically makes it armed robbery. A serious felony.

    I only am asking why, the potential victim would wait until the last minute instead of acting at the first available chance. Moral, legal or other reasons?

    Michael

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