At what point would you feel justified jumping in?

[Mike1956]

I'm not going to initiate fire to defend the till, or someone else's wallet.

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[oakchas]

5 And higher. Probably. If I feel like it.

If it isn't me or mine... I probably won't do anything, until I'm outta there.

It all depends on the "totality of the situation."

[pgrass101]

Would you really? Seems you lose the element of surprise there.

Sorry that was sarcasm, it doesn't always show up well in forum format

[nti06]

After my experience being the employee behind the counter with a gun on me during a robbery, I welcome any skilled help in terminating the threat that has been delivered upon me. If im suddenly involved (as a browsing customer/bystander) in a robbery, and a gun is pointed at any living person, im ending the threat. All it takes is the twitch of a nervous finger and that store clerk is dead. On a greater measure, that clerk / cashier / mother / sister / etc will go home to see their family again. The dead B.G gets to ride to the morgue with the coroner.

[Phillep Harding]

I'm not going to initiate fire to defend the till, or someone else's wallet.

You would not be. You would be reacting to a threat to kill. The reason for the threat is simply not relevant.

[Mike1956]

You would not be. You would be reacting to a threat to kill. The reason for the threat is simply not relevant.

Threat assessments, my known abilities and limitations, potential and likely outcomes and aftermaths are all considerations upon which I base my decisions.

[OldVet]

Flawed poll, like asking, "Do you still beat your wife?" "Jumping in" is open ended, could mean anything from shouting at the guy to calling 911 to shooting him on the spot--or anything in between.

[Mike1956]

Flawed poll, like asking, "Do you still beat your wife?" "Jumping in" is open ended, could mean anything from shouting at the guy to calling 911 to shooting him on the spot--or anything in between.

"Justified" is a loaded concept, as well.

[Jaxon06]

I"d vote "All of the above", cause it depends on the situation before #5.

[SpencerB]

I voted 3 because at that point he has the means to cause severe bodily harm or death

[mlr1m]

Just curious about the reasoning behind the answers given to the OP. Is it a known legal reason, fear of possible legal action, moral or other reason behind the idea of not acting at the first opportunity after the threat was made? The bad guy has made a threat to kill in in front of witness's.

Michael

[suntzu]

Just curious about the reasoning behind the answers given to the OP. Is it a known legal reason, fear of possible legal action, moral or other reason behind the idea of not acting at the first opportunity after the threat was made? The bad guy has made a threat to kill in in front of witness's.

Michael

Are you saying by saying "I will kll you" even if a weapon is not seen is enough for your to draw and shoot someone? Not trying to put words in your mouth. But that is how I read it. If I misunderstood can you explain what you meant...

[Mike1956]

Just curious about the reasoning behind the answers given to the OP. Is it a known legal reason, fear of possible legal action, moral or other reason behind the idea of not acting at the first opportunity after the threat was made? The bad guy has made a threat to kill in in front of witness's.

Michael

Posts #31&36 explain my rationale about as well as I can explain it.

[airslot]

He claims to be armed and demands what is not his. Why would I not believe him? (After all, he's a fine upstanding thug)

I'll take his claim to be the threat it is and respond accordingly ( with more violence than this mutt has ever seen).

If it turns out he wasn't armed, maybe he shouldn't have brought his mouth to a gun fight.

[mlr1m]

Are you saying by saying "I will kll you" is enough for your to draw and shoot someone? Not trying to put words in your mouth. But that is how I read it. If I misunderstood can you explain what you meant...

The first example question.

BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible - Demands money

By claiming that he has a gun one has to believe that is intended to be a threat to kill or do great bodily harm. Also I believe that in my State the claim of possessing a deadly weapon during a robbery automatically makes it armed robbery. A serious felony.

I only am asking why, the potential victim would wait until the last minute instead of acting at the first available chance. Moral, legal or other reasons?

Michael