3 or 4, closer to 4
This is a discussion on At what point would you feel justified jumping in? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Assuming you are in a public place (store, restaurant, theater or such) and a BG walks in. . . You are armed. (concealed) At what ...
BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible - Demands money
BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible BUT BG is acting wild/irrational - Demands money
BG displays a gun - Demands money
BG displays gun and is acting wild/irrational - Demands money
BG is herding people to a back room or lining up everyone on their knees
BG pointing gun at individual(s) and threating imminent death
BG discharges firearm, but not at a person
BG shoots someone
Assuming you are in a public place (store, restaurant, theater or such) and a BG walks in. . .
You are armed. (concealed)
At what point would you feel justified jumping in?
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Too many choices..We will end up debating the merits of each all weekend......and you forgot to add one that would be my first choice:
Nonoe of the above-LEAVE if you can
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Not saying that I would jump in at this point personally. However if I was on the jury of a person who did I would have to say that they were justified.BG claims he has a gun, but gun is not visible - Demands money
BG displays gun AT ME, and I shoot him.
IF BG displays to others, I watch and wait, if BG herds people then I shoot.
English is my second language, I have been told my use of it is harsh, apologies if this is the matter.
You know what stops a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun
If I've got the shot I'm going on #3.
Not sure when I would act without being there and seeing what my feel for the situation was. However, I can say that I would NEVER turn my back on the guy, and I would NEVER, EVER get down on my knees with my back to the guy - whether I was armed, or not.
I voted before I fully read the question
In the event that it was in a public place and the BGs attention was not on ME, I'd say somewheres around #4. If it were a dark parking lot situation and it were just me and him, I'd take his word for it at #1 and he'd meet the LCP right then and there.
The moment I feel my life is in imminent danger. There are so many variables we could identify and second guess... behavior, tone of voice, reaction/action. Based on the survey I would fall somewhere between 1 and 8.
Welcome to my home, that door you just kicked in, was locked for your protection, not mine.
I voted #5 but my "real" answer is always "it depends". The way the question and options are worded, it sounds as if there are lots of people around.
If I'm trapped (e.g., BG is between me and the only exit) - it depends. If he's not looking in my direction, and his behavior shows he just wants money and really isn't eager to use the gun except to instill fear (1,2,3,4,6,7)... I'll probably slowly get my gun, but hope he leaves with no violence.
If BG starts staging people for execution (5), or actually shoots someone (8), it's game on. I'm moving to exit WHILE shooting at BG, if I have a clear shot (if not, I'm just dodging and running as fast as I can, in hopes that his luck and skill in hitting a moving target with a handgun isn't any better than mine).
This is a very personal question; we all have our own threshold and IMO there is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer. Just a question of what you can live with - if you live.
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I would say that at #3 and up I would feel justified in using lethal force. All of these things depend on the situation and my read on things in the moment. There is no real answer that can be absolute when you are in front of a keyboard.
#3 without issue.
Fact is, if they pull it out, they can point and shoot at any moment, and you'll have NO chance to react at that point, especially if they shoot you. It's as close to pre-emptive self-defense as you can get.
#4 BG starts acting like he is going to go off, 8'm getting involved.
BG says "I've got a gun" I'm going to reply "I've got one too"
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