BTW: I have that song on play list while I run.......
This is a discussion on Why Most Doomsday Preppers Will Die - An Opinion Deserving Consideration. within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by kerberos Maybe so, maybe not... I put the lyrics from that song in for a reason. Whether you are a city boy ...
BTW: I have that song on play list while I run.......
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
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Crossman 760 BB/Pellet, Daisy Red Ryder, Crossman Wrist Rocket, 14 Steak Knives, 3 Fillet Knives, Rolling Pin-14", Various Hunting Knives, 2 Baseball Bats, 3 Big Dogs and a big American Flag flying in the yard. I have no firearms; Try the next house.
I also must say, that now, the gansters are used to being the ones outside the law. If this sort of scenario comes to pass, all will be outside the law. My money is on me with my savage 110 at 300 yards, over 10 gang bangers with hipoints.
English is my second language, I have been told my use of it is harsh, apologies if this is the matter.
You know what stops a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun
I live in a rural area, most of the people who own the 5-10 acre spreads are not farmers or country boys, but they are city people who moved out of the city.
The farmers here have 100+ acres of cotton, soybeans corn etc... most of their soil is effectivly infertile without chemical fertilizer. It will take years of work to restore its natural productivity. The real country boys have their gardens that they feed their family with, they hunt and fish.
But hunting will be quickly non productive, because everyone will be hunting. The streams and rivers will quickly become fished out in most locations becasue everyone will fish.
Meat will be scarce and my rabbits will have to be hidden
“You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.”
― Robert A. Heinlein,
I think more realistic situation is the comunity will come together and protect themselves and help eachother. one ofthese posses coming down the road of a comunity looking to take what isn't theirs won't have a good day.
Don"t let stupid be your skill set....
I now realize that my definition of "country folk" may differ from others.
I'm not just referring to all people who don't live within the incorporated area of a city...
Or even suburbs for that matter...
There are tons of them who moved just a little ways out to escape crime, etc. and good for them!
Guess I should use the term redneck or hillbilly to make myself clear...
Anyways, I can see this thread coming to some real common ground/agreement within the next 8 pages or so!
If it's legal for you to take a 100 yard hike from your house and shoot a deer; you're getting close to the area I'm talking about.
"Death is lighter than a feather, but Duty is heavier than a mountain" Robert Jordan
Glock 19 Gen 4
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Networking among the best is advisable, as psychologist, Abraham Maslow implies. In a SHTF scenario, survivalists skills are at a premium. But I disagree with author, stankmouthcharlie's, assumption that the most significant part of SHTF is gang vs gang. I perceive a different post-shtf world and think the bigger question, by far, is the technical aspect of solving the difficult questions of surviving the elements without modern luxuries. I admit that those luxury "things" are probably our weakest link. And we may surprise ourselves with what we can do without.
And stankmouthcharlie underestimates preppers as unprepared for targets that shoot back. He makes a good point about not sticking out or appearing as a soft target. But we loyal Carry & Defensive Scenarios forum members already know that.
I gotta' buy more beans and water.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
Lima, we all have much to learn, always. Even from posers such as this guy.
I know my home is too "close in" to be defensible. I am getting ready to move/retire. I hope to do so in time (before the demise of society), we'll see.
I still foresee big attrition numbers amongst the urban "evildoers," most of it due to existing rivalries.
Having watched Gangland, I have no doubts that some bangers are very well trained in military action...
I also have no doubts that strong minded, primitive cadres of poorly armed insurgents have bested militarily trained minds from the Trojan war to present day AFPAK.
Good will prevail over evil... It may take some time, some treasure, some blood... But good will out.
"Can you hear me?
Can you hear me calling?"*
*Silent Running... Mike and the Mechanics
It could be worse!
I am pretty satisfied with my current location. We are suburban enough that I drive past grazing cattle to go to the mall, but in reality only a couple of miles from the city limits. The neighborhood has a well defined perimeter (wall/fence) with two gates. I would not call it a fortress by any stretch but it is much more defensible than the surrounding neighborhoods. Depending on who decides to stay we have a good skill set in the neighborhood including medical, engineers and a guy that owns a range/shop that sells class 3 weapons and mucho ammo. We have current LEOs and former military. About the only thing we are short on is land for farming.
Even hunting the wild pigs and gators in the bayou we could not last indefinitely as there would be hunting pressure from the other communities in the area.
I think the key for us would be to be a hard enough target that we initially get bypassed for easier pickings. Hopefully the easier pickings would cause enough attrition that we would only have to deal with any particular group once. The big question in my mind is if we would last long enough for the hunting pressure to drop enough for the hogs to come back. There are a few other "walled compounds" not far from us but we also have a huge park nearby and are surrounded by open neighborhoods. I do think with some agressive patroling we have a pretty good situation.
I think one big issue folks need to look at is family and friends that are medically fragile. How are the neighbors going to be about grandma, who is basically bed ridden with arthritis, getting a full share of the food when stocks get low? Things could get very very ugly.
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In any SHTF situation of that magnitude, thousands will die in the first few days. After about 3 weeks there will be lots less competition, but it will be better organized. We have prisons full, OMG's, all kinds of people on meds, oh did I mention psych wards full......
Hang on boy's and girl's....
My rifle and pistol are tools, I am the weapon. Go big or stay on the porch.
I figure in a real situation, 40% of our fellow Americans will die of heart attacks or hurl themselves off a bridge because their cell phones stop working. CBS Sunday Morning reported on the addiction to electronics,especially texting,many have. So at least there would be more food and stuff for us low-tech people.
Pain is the best teacher,but nobody wants to go to his class.
When the past smothers the present, there is only desperation. When the future absorbs the present, life stands still. In either case a decision must be made because you only live now and you are only what you are now.
How many of you live close to a National Guard Unit? Reserve Unit? Have they been deployed? What are their skills, abilities, training, tools, equipment? Good guys? Rogue? 50-50? What about military bases nearby? How does that effect your calculus?
If it has not been included in your analysis, why not? How do you include it, and using what premises?
As a matter of example and interest, the east side of Pike's Peak includes Ft. Carson, Home to the 3rd BCT, 43rd ASG, 3rd ACR, 5th Armored Brigade, 13th Air Support Operations Squadron, and the 10th Special Forces Group. Additionally, Colorado Springs has two AFB's and the AFA.
I'm on the west side of Pike's Peak.
How do the forces represented above get deployed and with what equipment? What is the command structure? Who is in command? That represents a lot of skills, training, experience and firepower. Good guys, bad guys, or both, or transitory and opportunistic? Over what time frame? Will the roles shift and change over time? Good guys initially? And as time progresses? What happens?
The possibilities are rather endless..............