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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    We can buy a holster full of drawers!
    I don't believe that would be enough drawers to get me through to washing day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phreddy View Post
    I don't believe that would be enough drawers to get me through to washing day.
    Rinse & wear Bro, rinse & wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phreddy View Post
    I don't believe that would be enough drawers to get me through to washing day.
    Glad you noticed... it was intentional.
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    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Believe it or not wolves do wear sheep clothing. There is a documented case of an abduction and rape in Chattanooga a few years ago. It happened in a very nice shopping area. The female victim was distracted/lured by another female who was working in conjunction with a dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas
    Gives a whole new perspective to:

    "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword" He didn't mean they'd die warriors in epic battles, or staving off thieves, or protecting the weak, or even protecting themselves... He meant "they'll die fondling their swords, having never lived."
    If you use a blatantly incorrect interpretation of the saying that would be true.

    Just so you understand, the most commonly believed interpretation of that quote is to turn the other cheek. There are other passages that refer to defending oneself.

    It's the choosing an action based upon the risk to reward ratio. Some people are stupid and go to midnight showings of movies with their little kids. In the end, we all must make our own choices and live with those choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    A criminal's decision to commit robbery happens well before your answer to their question. IMHO, bragging about a big night's winnings isn't the trip-point. Do you really think that intent felons will cruise the parking lot and risk discovery until they get "the right answer"? They're looking for prey opportunity, not tonight's jackpot. Someone alone, someone semi-drunk, someone parked in a remote dark corner would mean a better target. Criminals aren't stupid, they're just...criminals.
    I don't mean this to sound argumentative but there are many crimes that are crimes of opportunity. We were parked in a dark parking lot, at the end of a string of cars, those people could have been parked waiting for a victim to come out. We all are aware that you don't flash around large sums of cash in public because eyes are watching. These people could have been on there way to watch for a big winner and if one is delivered to them so much the better.
    Now I didn't think this was the case. Just posing the question wondering how many wouldn't think about the bad intensions of some. Sometimes discussions help keep us aware
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    The fellow who has no situational awareness is a target. So is the drunk. A fellow who looks you in the eye, answers your question, and turns it into a good joke (which doubles as a "I'm broke now" admission), is less of a target. Had you quit with the "had a great time and won big" you would have been tipping the scales more towards risky behavior. But the whole of the situation you present does not lean that way in my opinion.

    Of course, the closest I have to any experience in this is having taught high school in the bad part of town for 13 years - there, good repartee seemed to be respected. I don't know if that works in dark casino parking lots. But yours WAS a good line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotomaker57 View Post
    ...many crimes that are crimes of opportunity...(vs.)...those people could have been parked waiting for a victim to come out...
    Doesn't the definition of a "crime of opportunity" mean that the perps weren't parked waiting for a victim? I'm not trying to sound argumentative either, my point was simply that you don't have to brag or flash cash to become a target in a casino parking lot. (or a grocery parking lot, or a school parking lot, or a church parking lot...)
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    I do everything I can to ensure the future employment of the casino staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I do everything I can to ensure the future employment of the casino staff.
    It does my heart good to know there are still people that give of themselves so others may prosper
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    So my question to all of you is, do you think the sheep would brag about their winnings and probably get robbed?
    (Don't mean to 'necropost' but I have so many anecdotes...)

    I was a kid, fishing with my dad - Stringer full of something (walleyes if I recall). Another boat down the shore a bit. Leaving the spot with our limit, we passed that other boat -- "How'd you do?" they asked. My dad started saying "Eh, could've done better..." while I was picking up the stringer and said "Great!!!"

    That was the first time I remember that "one eyebrow up" look from my dad. And of course, that boat was on that spot - OUR spot - like a bear to honey.

    "I know you're excited about it, but sometimes it's better for some things to be left unsaid." Something like that. "Eh, could've been better" wasn't a "lie" (for lack of a better term). It was simply a different way to answer. I got it -- And it transfers to so many scenarios in life that take me right back to that fishing spot.

    One specific situation that fits the thread -- I was up in northern WI at a casino. On a motorcycle trip -- Didn't really want to "gamble" -- I called it "Making a donation to the rich cultural heritage of the Ojibwe people" -- But my bro-in-law and I rode out and I put a $10 in a slot machine and gave him the same to hit another machine.

    It wasn't just a few spins later that I "hit the jackpot" -- Not the "retirement" jackpot, but the "this is just about enough to pay for this whole trip" jackpot. I very QUIETLY sent him to the window to find out what the tax reporting limit was. He came back and said "$1200" -- I was literally at around $1225 in the machine. It probably took a half hour more to burn it down to $1199, but we did. Cashed out and as unexcited-looking as possible walked out into the parking lot where (of course) someone said "How'd you do in there?"

    I thought of my dad and said "Eh, could've been better."
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    And while we talk all about situational awareness... for most it seems that SA means avoiding everybody else... walking on the same street, in the same parking lot, heading the same direction... SA means AVOIDANCE... Everybody else is a bogey.

    We can't go to a convenience store after midnight, no scratch that.. .we can't go to a "Stop and Rob," EVER... we can't use an ATM, unless it's in the bank... and why go to the bank at all? Do all your banking online.

    So, we all got our permits to carry guns... So, NOW we get to stay home, never go to the movies, avoid IHOP like the plague... Have our anniversary dinner in a well lit Denny's on Wednesday afternoon (that's probably safest).

    Never go to the city for a play, they get out late and you'll be amongst people you don't know, in the dark. Never go to a pub or a tavern... nothing good ever happens in a bar. Never stay out after Midnight... Nothing good happens after midnight.
    And why is that? Could it be that one has as much, if not more reason to fear our government who will do it's damndest to prosecute the man shooting in self defense as he does from the criminal who seeks to deprive him of his goods or life? Nah couldn't be that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Exactly.

    We're already losing the ability to have a real conversation with others due to email, forums, texting, IMs, facebook, twitter, and all the rest...

    And while we talk all about situational awareness... for most it seems that SA means avoiding everybody else... walking on the same street, in the same parking lot, heading the same direction... SA means AVOIDANCE... Everybody else is a bogey.

    We can't go to a convenience store after midnight, no scratch that.. .we can't go to a "Stop and Rob," EVER... we can't use an ATM, unless it's in the bank... and why go to the bank at all? Do all your banking online.

    So, we all got our permits to carry guns... So, NOW we get to stay home, never go to the movies, avoid IHOP like the plague... Have our anniversary dinner in a well lit Denny's on Wednesday afternoon (that's probably safest).

    Never go to the city for a play, they get out late and you'll be amongst people you don't know, in the dark. Never go to a pub or a tavern... nothing good ever happens in a bar. Never stay out after Midnight... Nothing good happens after midnight.

    Now there's lotsa cool stuff we CAN do now that we got our gats and our permit...

    We can buy a holster full of drawers! We can buy special belts to hold up our drawers and holster just right... We can dry fire practice any time we want at home in the basement or garage. We can buy just the right ammo, and we can go to the range actually carrying our gun and not have to worry about having it in a case in the trunk, ammo separate. We can shoot at paper plates (BOTH sizes!), Zombie TARGETS! Bleeding ZOMBIE targets! From 3 yards, 7 yards, and for the real operators, 50 yards with EO tech sights on our GLOCKS.

    All the money we save from not going to movies and dinner and plays, we can spend on FOF training, CQB training, sniper training, knife training. (Do you stab or slash that hanging deer carcass? Sorry Lima, it's just one of those things that stuck and I remember)... We can learn how to disarm an assailant we will never meet because we're never out in the world.... Work, home, range, once a year Denny's, and cool classes with like minded assets...

    Gives a whole new perspective to:

    "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword" He didn't mean they'd die warriors in epic battles, or staving off thieves, or protecting the weak, or even protecting themselves... He meant "they'll die fondling their swords, having never lived."


    LIVE... ENGAGE... BE HUMAN.... INTERACT... BUT ABOVE ALL, LIVE

    okay, stepping down now. Next!

    I think you make excellent points. I think there is a simular way of thinking concerning terrorist. If we stop enjoying our freedoms or start giving up our freedoms to be safe from them then in effect they have beaten us.

    It's a balancing act between being to paranoid and just paranoid enough. Personally I am always getting after my wife because she always insist on talking to strangers when we are out in public. She never gives out harmfull information or such, but she sets herself up to interviewed in my opinion. I have harped onit a little. Maybe what I need to do is find an article about how criminals "interview" someone and let her read it.

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    To answer your question about whether you should say you've won a ton of cash, I say never tell anybody you won big. Why put temptation out there where it doesn't need to be. Carrying or not, if you say you're broke, then there isn't a reason to be sheep.
    I don't want to be a hero, but I'm sure not going to be a victim.

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    I am guessing this was at the Lumiere? If so.... I have been told to use the valet there and that people have been robbed walking to there cars in the lot. Personally... I like ameristar. Now if they would allow legally liscenced carry in the casinos like they do in Vegas... I'd spend more time than i do there currently.

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