Would you intervene with deadly force on a stranger's behalf?(poll added)
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October 29th, 2012 08:05 PM
No idea, it's dependent on the situation. You could end up shooting the attacker if you come upon it and don't know who initiated the attack.
As for those who claim they could've stopped James Holmes, I just laugh. Maybe military/LEOs with extensive training, but not most people.
November 7th, 2012 03:03 PM
I did not participate in the poll since it was only yes/no.
Originally Posted by tacman605
I CC to protect myself and my loved ones, so, based on your comment about the mass shootings, I lean toward Yes, since someone randomly shooting up the place is probably going to launch some lead in my direction sooner than later. This assumes that cover or retreat are not options.
November 7th, 2012 05:59 PM
As of today I think my doing something for others has changed, if it doesn't involve me or mine or at least someone I know, then Obama can and will take care of them. (Not)
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November 7th, 2012 06:33 PM
I like to believe i would... But i fear prosecutors!! And hidden laws, i'll risk it for my love ones only... Eddie
November 7th, 2012 10:17 PM
I help people in trouble and crisis for a living. And I put my own health and safety at risk doing so. I've been in many dangerous situations with direct risk to my own life helping others. So that is my basic nature. However, I don't do it foolishly or recklessly, and I don't do it without assessing the risk.
So, in a private situation, I have a pretty high bar set before I will intervene in someone else's violent encounter. The most important thing at issue is, are things really what they appear to be? Do I have all the facts needed to make that decision? Does my intervention have a high likelihood of making things worse?
Years of training and professional experience allows me to make those decisions rather quickly, but one thing I must have are the facts that the person in violent danger is truly an innocent person.
I'm not going to risk my life for someone who created the problem or put themself in that situation and now are in over their head, or may turn against me and side with the aggressor because of a prior relationship with that person.
I voted Yes, but it all depends on the situation before me as to whether I will intervene or not.
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November 8th, 2012 07:29 AM
Would you intervene with deadly force on a stranger's behalf?(poll added)
November 8th, 2012 01:01 PM
I am not a LEO, nor will I have the Police Union lawyers supporting me. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
November 13th, 2012 09:13 AM
Whether its justified and legal, consider the circumstances very carefully.
Heres a scenerio: My daughter when younger had temper tantrums when she did not get her way. In one, she ran out of the house and down the street. I get in my vehicle and got to her, and not so gently placed her in the car. She was sceaming at me.
Now, to an outsider, it would look like I am a pediphile grabing a kid.
If the situation was someone I knew and absolutely was a life threatening situation, I would say something, and tell the perp to get lost, as I already called it in. I wuld only use deadly force it the perp went physical with the friend or attacked me.
If you walk into a situation: Call 911 and stay on the phone at a safe distance.
In the world of law enforcement, when they receive a domestic disturbance call, both the husband and wife turn onto the cop. The same would happen to you if you interviened in a domestic situation.
November 13th, 2012 02:20 PM
I think there should have been a Maybe or a depends option on this poll. I voted no. There is always an except to the rule though. i.e. a LEO in trouble, safety personal such as firefighters etc. or a mass shooting.
but I'm not going to jail because I shot a guy who I see beating up a lady in the parking lot because she is his wife and sues me for his death cuz she still loves him. No way is that worth my time.
November 14th, 2012 03:06 PM
My default answer is no. However, if I could be 100% certain of who the BG is and what was happening, then I would change my answer to a definite maybe.
In OK, if you use deadly force in defense of a third party, then you assume the responsibility of the third party you are defedning. If by some fluke you draw on an undercover LEO or a victim who had gained the upper hand, you are now associated with the BG and can be charged accordingly.
Sometimes we have the right intentions but at the wrong times...I would have to be 100% absolutely certain of person and the situation before I took any action.
November 16th, 2012 07:44 AM
Yes, if the situation made it possible.
I think that every one of us would want someone to come to our aide if we needed assistance.
November 17th, 2012 08:31 AM
There probably wouldn't be much time to think it over and weigh all of the possibilities. I hope I wouldn't stand by while someone was being killed and do nothing. I guess I would make the determination this way.........If what a person is doing justifies killing them in order to make them stop - then shoot. If their actions don't meet that standard.........try to help in some other way - or just stay out of it. Not an easy call. Could you get it wrong - yes. Should you let that stop you - only you can decide that. As for me - I'll help if I can.
November 17th, 2012 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by Bark'n
That's pretty much my minimum standard, as well. Inserting myself into a situation merely because "someone's getting hurt" isn't hardly sufficient, at least for me. Generally, not from the law's perspective either.
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November 21st, 2012 02:15 PM
I guess the simple way to answer your question is to use the term "blanket" both for legal and civil issue's. Only in the jurisdiction I serve do I have "more" power in intervening in a criminal matter and can actually effect an arrest or cite with a summons. Within my jurisdiction no matter how serious or minor the crime and wheter I am off duty or on duty in Uniform makes no difference I still can enforce Federal,State and County Laws to include ABC Laws and Game and Inland Fishery laws However if out of my jurisdiction yet in the same State I have jurisdiction in I can act only on felonies in progress with regard to "enforcement" and anytime I act as a Police Officer in "enforcing" the law I fall under my departments "Blanket" so to speak but if I make a lawful arrest not within my jurisdiction I have to go to the closest magistrate where the crime happened to attempt to obtain a warrant. Citizens have the same rights in obtaining warrants as Police Officers do however when you get into taking the bad guy before a magistrate the citizens rights stops there.
Originally Posted by VaGentleman
In issue's that arise that are life threatening to others if my actions are not covered under that "Blanket" then I'm acting as a regular citizen with the same rights as a citizen. Bottomline if life is at risk just like in my daily decisions regarding action or not acting at all I would act and hopefully my department would not "bail" on with regard to the aftermath of the civil process that always follows...
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November 21st, 2012 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by accessbob
^^^^^^This pretty much sums it up^^^^^^^^^^^
Didn't vote because of it being a Y or N only.
My answer is a maybe/probably/ya' never can tell/I'd have to be there.
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