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    Quote Originally Posted by BadHabit View Post
    Yet you expect him to help you out when you are in a bind???
    No, I expect nothing at all from the police.
    English is my second language, I have been told my use of it is harsh, apologies if this is the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie View Post
    MG27, you did the right thing. Thank you most kindly.

    One of the big problems with the United States these days is a failure of the public to be offended by wrong behavior and taking suitable action. Yeah, there's lots of things can go wrong in a situation like this. One might also notice the problems that arise when the public fails to act in favor of public peace and proper conduct.

    I am also delighted to see how many people are supportive. But then, with a group like this of independent minded people I am not surprised, either.

    Doing the right thing is the right thing.
    Lots of assumption in this post. The situation was, would you help a cop struggling with 2 people. My answer was no. Assumptions are made in this post that a person is not offended by wrong behavior. An assumption is made that a person would not act in favor of public peace and proper conduct. This situation may or may not have had anything to do with public peace and conduct. This situation may or may not have been "wrong behavior"

    If you would like to ask of me if I would act in favor of public peace or proper conduct, then pose a situation and I will answer. But my experience both in my native nation and here in this nation (as its public officials just in my 15 years here have devolved closer and closer to lawlessness) is that you are best to avoid all interaction with the police.
    English is my second language, I have been told my use of it is harsh, apologies if this is the matter.

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    You stepped up and helped another person in need/danger. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldLincoln View Post
    Now that I'm older I don't worry so much about claims against me, etc. I just keep in mind that every one of our LEOs have or had a mom and dad. My son's life ambition was to be a cop and selected the most challenging academy in the state to attend at his own cost and with his wife's and 3 kids blessing, quit his job and lodged with others like him from out of town. He did well until he injured his back and could not continue with the physical side of it. He was crushed, I felt bad for him but quite relieved for myself. Now every time I see one I think that could have been my son. So yes I'd help... I've long ago made that decision and won't hesitate.

    BTW: I regularly help people I don't know load awkward stuff they just bought into their vehicle (or cart) at the store. I guess that started when I first saw my son do it when we're at the store.
    I suffered a bad spine injury a little under two years ago at the ripe age of 29-30. While my ambitions at the time were different. I too had to give up my passion as an automotive technician. Mine were to finally open up my shop and keep the overhead low at first with just myself working. I even had the building rezoned commercial right before I was injured. I can honestly say it I know how hard it is to have to give up your dreams. Still even with my bad back... I would like to think I would not hesitate to help a police officer if he was in need. They have helped me. And if I can... I would not hesitate to return the favor also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I would definitely go to help out. You may laugh but 122 pounds running on pure adrenaline could at least be a distraction long enough to buy the officer a few seconds and pull out his gun.
    I'll never laugh. Show me the man that can catch a sandbag that weighs 122 pounds that's just been thrown at him, and I'll show you the offspring of King Kong and The Hulk.

    When all else fails, run the guy over with your body, it works.
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    You did the right thing, and I'd like to think I would do the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Hawkeye_ View Post
    But my experience both in my native nation and here in this nation (as its public officials just in my 15 years here have devolved closer and closer to lawlessness) is that you are best to avoid all interaction with the police.
    Ok, since you've referenced it enough, I'll bite. Where is your native nation? I'm sorry, I don't recognize the flag in your avatar.

    As far as your statement above, and most of your other posts in this thread are concerned (I DO find your personal reasoning valid), all I can say is that I thought of OldVet's signature after I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLArmadillo View Post
    You did the right thing, and I'd like to think I would do the same.



    Ok, since you've referenced it enough, I'll bite. Where is your native nation? I'm sorry, I don't recognize the flag in your avatar.

    As far as your statement above, and most of your other posts in this thread are concerned (I DO find your personal reasoning valid), all I can say is that I thought of OldVet's signature after I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg27 View Post
    Ok ,so here I go again with another situation that I had That many of you may think was a dumb move.

    After the 6:20 am story that I just told last week where I admitted to be a real stupid thing to do,I wanted to share something that was not real smart but had a possitive outcome..

    In my early 20s I was on my porch with a girl just talking and having a beer, I did not have a firearm on me, I left that in the house. Just Oc spray.. I noticed a police officer talking with two black males (Please dont Imply that im a racist because I mentioned black male, if they were white or chinese Id say the same) When the officer went to cuff one of the males, The other jumped on the cop and now he was in a stuggle. I ran down to help the officer who was alone. When I got there I grabbed the one off the cop allowing him to get his gun out and order them both on the ground. As soon as back up came, I started to walk off. At that point back up tried to grab me. The officer I assisted said "He's ok, he just helped me out". I just walked back home right away. To this day I dont know what happened or what the deal was... lol, I remember my mom saying I was dumb cause I could of been stabbed or shot, and thats true, But It was a spur of the moment thing..

    Has anyone esle had a similer experience, and if you would of seen the same thing what would you do? Is it worse for a citizen to get involved? I guess it depends of the situation..
    Not dumb at all imo. You probably saved that cop from getting beaten or killed, and his gun sold for a murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post
    I stopped worrying about how what I say might "appear" to someone else years ago - right about the time I realized that there are people out there that can distort whatever you say to make it "appear" however they want to fit their own agenda.

    I always use descriptive terms, including race, when trying to paint a picture for someone. White, black, short, fat, bald, etc. There's a certain efficiency to language when you just say what you mean and don't feel compelled, for instance, to evaluate the many reasons beyond someones control they might have a weight issue before you can use the term "fat".

    ... and I very much appreciate it when others show me the same courtesy. I'm smart enough to know that if he says he once saw a "balding, white guy" - he's not racist, sexist, talking about me specifically, or has anything against people with no hair - and I don't have to waste twice as much time asking questions until I get enough of a description to form a mental picture.
    If you describe all people this way in all stories, yeah, that's fine, but that's not what I'm talking about. My point is that people (myself included) tend to claim that's what they're doing, when in reality, they are only mentioning it when it's certain races, when describing a negative connotation associated with that race. Not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaraCroft10 View Post
    It's unnecessary to point out somebody's race when it is not relevant to the story. Adding that they were black doesn't get your point across any better, except appear racist.

    In the Zimmerman case, racism came into question, which made it relevant. Also, sometimes it is necessary if police wanted people to be able to identify the perpetrator. If they were still at large and people needed to keep an eye out for them. You need the best description possible.

    I used to do the same thing when I would tell people stories, until a black friend called me out on it (It was when I was complaining about a time I worked at Panera: "This black family came in one minute before closing time, took 15 minutes to order, 45 minutes to eat, and then left all their trash everywhere"). I reacted the same knee-jerk way, at first. "I would mention their race no matter what it was!" I thought I was doing it just to better describe my story so people could picture what was happening. But I realized that I never did it with my own race, and that I only did it when I was mad about something someone did. Or if I was describing what was basically a stereotype for that race. I realized that on a subconscious level, it stemmed from a little bit of deep seated racism I didn't even realize I harbored. It was a very bad habit that I decided I needed to break. It sounds like you may be doing the same thing, so I would advise you make a conscious effort to change that habit, too.
    So people aren't supposed to mention race or ethnicity as it pertains to conveying information because of your racial guilt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Hawkeye_ View Post
    Actually yes. Lets just say this was an improper arrest. Lets just say the cop stopped them because they were black and illegally searched them. The cop is well protected from lawsuits, me if I helped in this illegal arrest am not well protected from lawsuits. Or lets just say that this went bad, very bad, and one of them knifed the cop. I have no doubt after that, that my "interference" would have been the cause. Or as the OP stated, a cop coming up on the scene sees me helping (I do not drink), and sees my gun (my shirt rides up during the struggle) and then shoots me. Oops, we're sorry you are dead. Or "The immigrant (me) was acting to prevent the arrest, had a gun, so it became necessary to shoot him."

    No thanks on all of it.
    The risks that you list here are all possible. But what it boils down to is that some us are willing to take on those risks to help out an officer in trouble, and some of us are not.

    I am willing to give the officer the benefit of a doubt that his arrest is justified. I believe that the far-fetched scenario you described above is extremely unlikely. I find it hard to believe that if I were fighting an officer's attacker, I would get shot by a backup officer because my shirt rode up and revealed my holstered weapon. Besides that, cops typically don't just start shooting two people that are fighting. If the scenario you described were really a valid risk, a plain clothes or off-duty officer should never intervene when a uniformed officer is in a struggle.

    There is always an inherent physical risk in these types of situations, so each person has to make that call on their own. As far as being sued, personally, I value innocent life more than I fear law suits. Don't get me wrong; I hope that I never have to face a law suit for trying to save someone's life. But if I am called to do so, then so be it.
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    I believe you did the right thing. But I as a person believe we should help each other out. Especially protect those who are protecting you.
    I think you should help out the police officer (if not dangerous).
    Now if the suspects had guns too, get back in your house and call 911 for the cop and hope he does not get shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmith View Post
    It's a bit much to call one out as a coward for that view. I don't know about you but I'm the sole income provider for my family. I have a wife,4,and 2 y/o depending on me to take care of then. That is why I carry, I'm not a Jedi Knight out to correct the wrongs of the universe.

    If I enter that situation there is a high probability things could go BAD. If I'm injured or permanently disabled I don't have a police union to get benifits or disability to provide for my family. Would all the officers at his station take from thier pension to provide for my family for the next 20 years? Unless myself or my family are in grave danger I'm calling 911. I'll be the coward that gets to see his kids graduate high school, pay for thier college, and start of family of thier own. My duty as a father comes FIRST even if that makes me a coward in another's view.
    For clarification of the record, I'm not an internet ninja and not calling anyone a coward, but there are limits to "good points" that don't exclude cowardice. Sometimes, it's best to have a good plan of action, now, and do all that one can than to have an argument of good points after the fighting is done. Lincoln knew a thing or two about fighting and people and said, " lf the Lord Almighty gives a man a cowardly pair of legs, and that man gets frightened, he can't help his legs running away with him, can he?"
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    helped an officer in trouble

    Yea i would help a officer out if needed too.


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