In my state, it shows up on their computer if they run your plates. They know the possibilty is there....it's up to them to ask. Never been asked. Never mentioned it.
The last time I was "pulled over" it was "being intercepted" -- A cop 'eyed' me (I noticed) at a gas station and started following me. I thought "here we go again..." (I had long hair at the time and was pulled over far more than my no moving violations ever would dictate). Noticed a car up ahead that wasn't turning when it could/should have as I was making a right turn. That was another cop who made the left right in front of me, another car from the left and the cop behind me. Boxed me in like a birthday present. "Throw the keys out the window and lemme see your hands" and all that stuff with guns drawn, yelling, screaming, flashing lights and all the accouterments of a solid "dangerous felon" stop.Quote:
Side note: ^^^ I'm not bashing LE or grouping them all together. I know there's more good ones out there than there are bad, so sorry if it may come off the wrong way.
I just did what they told me. I moved slowly, exactly where and how they told me until I was on my knees and one of them shoved me to the ground and started asking me where I as coming from (work) and where I was going (home).
Mistaken identity and an apology from the cop and an offer to file a complaint (I didn't) later, I was on my way home. One wrong move, one fast jerky action, one nervous trigger finger on all those guns drawn (it was 4 or 5 - It's a bit fuzzy and it was dark) and believe me -- I have a lot of cop friends and I make sure my hands are visible and I don't seem threatening just when I'm walking up to any of them.
Some call me overly-paranoid about it. I just think I'm being extra nice. :smile:
If I'm getting pulled over, I don't even know why I'm getting pulled over. YBYA I'm going to be pretty low, slow and compliant. "Good day" or not, "good cop" or bundle of nerves.
I speak with them with the same respect I do anyone else. I take my medicine if speeding, broken tail light etc. I don't participate in their interrogations and I don't volunteer info that has nothing to do with my broken tail light because I'm not required to and it can potentially be used against me.
so far so good. Both stops for me since CCDW have been non-events and one even involved getting out of the car for a sobriety test. If he knew I was a CCDW license holder, I would think he would've said something before he asked me to get out of the car. even if it was only to find out where it was on my body or in my vehicle.
Massad Ayoob has a great video online about how to go about this, worked very well for me and the Officer was appreciative of letting her know I was armed. Wasn't pulled out by my hair at gun point given a warning (couldn't see the temp tag in the window) and sent on my way. It would largely depend on the officer and his/her judgement and experience. But if I was pulling the vehicle over I'd want to know.
wouldn't it be great if life was that simple! I suppose people never travel to new areas and happened to miss the speed limit sign somehow, or simply made a mistake? No matter how careful a person is, they can find themselves in a traffic stop. Even cops are pulled over by other cops!
So how do you think they will know anything about my permit from my license plate?
That's (one reason) why when people say (for anything), "if you have nothing to hide or if you never do anything wrong, you have no reason to worry"...I say BS.
OK is a "must inform" state, so obviously I will inform as required...even if it was not required, I would very likely inform anyway.
My standard answer (revisited)...
I think a LEO contacting a civilian on a traffic stop boils down to this...we (LEO) are working to enforce the law and we are very HYPERVIGILANT and you (the CCW civilian) are an UNKNOWN to us, in your personal car and committing a violation that gives us the probable/reasonable/ justifiable cause to conduct a stop/lawful detention on you and your vehicle.
Just saying...HYPERVIGILANT vs. UNKNOWN in our book means we will not let you control how our contact evolves with you. Just remember LEO's deal with bad guys too. People get pulled over not just because they drive like idiots but traffic enforcement is also a time honored way of nabbing criminals with narcotics, warrants, bodies, stolen goods, burglary tools and imagine this...guns.
Don't forget that a CCL/CCW permit does not automatically make you a known innocent (yet). Earn that by understanding our position, being mature, and using your intelligence to articulate your concerns to us.
Bottom line though is that the uniformed officer has control...no apologies here - it just needs to be that way.
That said there are some less than stellar LEO's out there. I hate that and encourage that a formal complaint should be filed for violations of your safety or bad demeanor towards you. Just sayin...you may feel his demeanor is unprofessional, but 99% of the the time the mobile video tells a different story than yours.
AR is must inform, but they know before they get to your door anyway. Last time I got pulled over, he came up and said "you got it with you?" And I was a bit confused. I just hand over my DL and CHL together anyway. He clarified, "are you carrying tonight?" I wasn't that night coz I had been where I would have had to leave it in the car anyway. And after that, it went quite pleasently. He was pro-cc and encouraged me to carry all the time.
But it was pretty obvious that he knew I hold a CHL before he pulled me over. So not only is it required by law for me to confess, they know anyway, so this thread is pointless lol
I've had another cop unload my gun and all that jazz once, but he was polite and professional, and not nerveous or freaked out at me. Other times, either they didn't ask for ID (not official contact) so I didn't mention it, or they just looked and nodded, or they didn't bat an eye about it. I went through a bad car spell there and EVERY time I borrowed my mom-in-law's truck a headlight or tail light or license plate lights went out and I got pulled over. I swear that truck was allergic to the dark!!
I've only gotten pulled over once when I was in TX with my CHL. In TX you must show your CHL along with your lic. so of course I did. Motorcycle Cop didn't freak out. But if I was in a state that didn't require it I wouldn't? Why would I? Other than maybe speeding i'm not doing anything else illegal. In the 23 years i've been driving and gotten pulled over maybe 5 times in that time frame, I've never had a cop pull me out of my car and search me. So i'll keep the stop short and unsweet.
2: Exactly what I was thinking. When driving I have AT LEAST two guns in the car. Three if I happen to have the BUG in my pocket (and a lot more than that if I'm on my way to the range).
3: Tennessee is not a must inform state but I do so anyway so I don't have to think if I get pulled over out of state (i.e. North Carolina) should I inform or not. I am a bit of a lead foot so I get a ticket every year or two. In all the times I have been pulled over both in TN and other states I have never run into an officer that reacted this way. The closest one was a Knoxville city officer that said "Don't make any sudden moves for it" when I informed I have my HCP. That was fine but again if a bad guy had intentions of shooting a cop does ANYONE out there think that the said BG is going to say "Officer, I have a gun with me"??????????