Well I made my point, which is that you Condition 1 or die folks sure get your emotions up about this... I will carry however I think is best, depending on where I will be going , how I will be traveling where I will be spending my time.
JMB. Welcome to the forum.
Yes you are correct. Any number of things can pull the trigger making the gun go bang, my comment was directed toward the person physically handling the firearm. Reholstering is one of the main culprits. The old style suicide straps caused many a firearm to discharge as the leather hammer strap became tangled in the trigger and when resistance was met instead of stopping, just shove it in harder became the action taken.
Side zippers and drawstrings are other culprits again folks would try to speed reholster and the string or zipper tab would hook the trigger as it was holstered. Always look your gun into the holster, if it is safe to do so, and don't hurry to do so. You are reholstering because the threat is over. When reholstering my thumb goes to the back of the slide and my finger along side the frame and I look it all the way in. Can I reholster without looking? Absolutely but why do it if not needed. Selecting a good holster is imperative for both retention and safety.
vstromrider. Hope it all works out for you.
I never hurry reholstering of a loaded firearm.
Pardon my ignorance but what is a Soup Nazi or a Seinfeld?Quote:
Originally Posted by sioux565
Wow. Did everyone not have their morning coffee? Am I the only one who understands the soup nazi reference? Seinfeld anyone?
Seinfeld was a sitcom starring Jerry Seinfeld and the soup nazi was I think a character on there who ran a diner or something and would cuss out the customers and kick them out of the place at a whim.
If this is incorrect sorry did not watch it that much.
Yes and he would yell, "No soup for you!" And pointed toward the door for that customer to leave. You would have to watch it but it was quite funny actually.
All dead men are equally dead, regardless of training, slide racking abilities, hand to hand combat abilities or job descriptions.
And I can prove it.
Had to deal with 1 armed confrontaion directed toward me near my home. 6 years in the military 2 of that in Turkey during 80-82 when terrorist were shooting people ( Lost a First Sergeant < shot< next to our post office there. Have been to Front sight ,Train in the local FAST shooting club Trained with The Border Patrols SRT . Trained with JR Frye ( UFC champion) who was part of our dojo"
Great thing about this country.......everyone's opinion is valued and protected.....but......your reseme leads me to believe it's flawed......OMO.
^^^^^^You have the same^^^^^^^^^^
M&P that I have, which replaced a S&W M&P 9c, neither of which had a safety.
The firearm does not scare me. It does not go band unless I make it go bang.
It resides in a holster which covers every aspect of the trigger.
The pistol WON'T go BANG unless I make it go bang.
And you sir have had far more extensive training and exposure to weapons and the handling and keeping of them.
The Soup Nazi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seinfeld-Soup Nazi (Greatest Parts) - YouTube
Wow-discussions like this are one of the reasons I stopped frequenting other firearms forums.
For me personally (I'm not a trainer and do not tell grown men and women what they should do), I carry with a round in the chamber in a quality holster. My choice in handguns is based on my comfort level. A Glock is a fantastic pistol, but I prefer the XD for the additional grip safety. It can't fire unless the trigger is pressed AND I have a proper grip on it. That's just me--many of my friends carry Glocks. When holstering in the morning, I push on the rear of the slide and keep my hands away from the grip safety. If it's not on me (meaning, it's in the safe), I remove the round from the chamber but leave a fully loaded magazine in the pistol. That's just me. My other defensive handgun is a little J Frame 642. Again, I appreciate the heavy DA trigger as the primary safety on the gun, but still keep all cylinders loaded and the revolver is in a quality pocket holster. In the safe, the cylinder is empty.
Different strokes for different folks.
I've read several discussions about this. I am convinced to carry my Glock with one in the chamber. However, when I first started to carry concealed I did not. I'm glad I got over this quickly. I think it is bad to not be consistent. I don't ever want to have to second guess...do I have one ready to go or not?
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For what it's worth I use condition 1. In a crisis you may not have two free hands. Especially if you're trying to get away holding a child's hand or shielding them. Secret Service stays within arms length with one in the pipe. That's good enough for me and mine.
It took me a while to get comfortable with it, but when I'm carrying out of the house, it's in "condition 1" readiness. The PPS is tucked in its IWB holster (Crossbreed) and not going to discharge on its own, and when I'm ocing, the PPQ is in it's IMI polymer holster with a singlepoint retention. Either weapon is not going to fire unless I pull the trigger, which would require me pulling the firearm.
Seconds matter, and I'd rather be ready if the worst happened. The gun will never be out of its holster in public unless there is a threat, so I'm not worried about mishandling it.
At home, however, I "step" them down to loaded but unchambered. In my home I like having the extra safety, especially with the daughter around, of having an unchambered firearm. My house affords me an extra few seconds to chamber a round - the only two points of entrance do not go directly into the house but into entry ways that also have no line of sight to the actual living areas what so ever. I feel this is a good compromise between out and about and at home.
A note about my daughter: She's 10, we bought her first firearm at 9 1/2, a Remington youth .22LR. She's well familiar with firearm safety, but a bit of extra precaution on my part, I feel, is expected.