This is a discussion on Attempted Car Jacking Gone Horribly Wrong - from Juror within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by carracer Not sure where Berreta Nano came from unless the original was corrected. I read Bryco 380. From the OP: Al was ...
From the OP:Originally Posted by carracer
And to the OP, thank you for doing your civic duty, and for relating the details of the event. I must admit, however, that I am also curious as to how "Al" had a Nano three years before they were released...Al was a CHL holder and always had his Baretta Nano 9mm with him.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
I wish it were as cut and dried here in North Carolina, I was a juror in a double murder case back in 1995. We convicted the criminal but since two jurors were not convinced he was a shooter we had to give him life instead of the punishment he deserved.
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It didn't
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Wow. What a heart breaking story that illustrates why we must be vigilant and carry at all times. You never know when the balloon will go up...
Thanks for your outstanding jury service!
Thanks for sharing the details and the conviction/penalty.
I was just called for jury duty, too...first time in 65 years...I have to appear in about two weeks.
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Here are a couple of links about this story one includes a comment by this thug's brother. If they can't find a switch puller for this creep, give me a call.
Death sentence for double murder
http://www.thepolicenews.net/default...letterid=11562
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From the linked article:Now, I have several tattoos, as do most all of my friends and a good portion of my family, but I think that these particular tattoos might indicate that the death sentence was highly warranted...Andrus...has the words “Murder Weapons” tattooed across the tops of both fists.
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
Yeah, his brother's comments are just bringing tears to my eyes, not!
"This is my brother and all the comments need to stop. People make mistakes i will not sit up here and act like its not wrong beacuse it is,,But all the comments about retalitions and stuff is not neded we have a family also like the victims.believe it or not its like we lost our terence andrus also.i really do wish the best of luck to the family menbers of the victims they are still in my prayers.but im also standing by my brother side"
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You sure wouldn't; the defense would subpoena you as a witness to keep you out - least that's what happened to my aunt.
So, you asked, "What would you do?" And, again, it's hard to figure out who to identify with.
This is a tragic situation where a lot of lives come together and you don't want to blast people who are just trying to live their lives.. because, to be honest, this could be any number of us on any given day.
As far as Al? Was his error really not having his gun on him? Because if he'd had the firearm on him after having a glass of wine or beer and shot the perp, we might be reading a thread titled, "This guy is a disgrace to all of us" and questioning why anyone would carry with Alcohol on board. He did the responsible thing for having a few drinks and that was to not carry. Now, maybe the lesson there is to give up alcohol altogether. I don't know.
Even if he had not been drinking and even if he had the firearm on him he still was facing going against the drop. Tough, tough, tough, situation. The OP said the perp took the shot only after he saw the firearm. Who's to say he wouldn't have shot Al anyway, whether he saw a gun or not. We just don't know. Maybe Al would have never even gotten to his gun. We just don't know. I don't want to say that Al was doomed no matter what he did... except, of course, for opting not to get milk at 11:00 at night on that particular night at that particular store.. I think there may have been something else he could have done but I'm not sure what that is.
As far as Paty? She really wasn't involved other than rushing to her husband's side after the encounter already went down. As a wife, I can't imagine coming upon that scene. My only hope is maybe that some of my medical training would keep me in life-saving mode and I would do what I could to make sure the ABCs were maintained until paramedics arrived, though it sounds like that wouldn't have even helped Al. All around a very tragic situation to enter as a witness/bystander and wife.
Tran slammed on the breaks... I bet he asks himself EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT. why he chose the break instead of the gas from the get-go. It could have made all the difference in this situation. But, again, I can't fault him because we go through parking lots with our foot over the break, ready to hit it in case some little kid runs out infront of us. His wife screamed, he hit the break and a shot was fired right into his wife's face. Even if he had a gun, again, he would have been working against the drop which is almost impossible to draw on without the possibility of getting a bullet.
There was nothing else Kim could have done. She was as unlucky as you can be in this instance.
The only other thing I think Tran could have done differently is stay on scene, get his wife out of the car and into the recovery position so she wouldn't choke on her own blood, but there's no evidence that that would have saved her given the major arteries being hit and the amount of blood loss... and you certainly can't put a tourniquet around someone's neck. She was in a very bad way.. VERY BAD!!!
This situation stunk from high heavens all the way around. I'm glad this guy got caught. He deserves his sentence.
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txron, thanks for taking the time to write this up. It was well worth the read, and a stark reminder that you can be totally minding your own business when the attack (ambush) happens.
Why would they request a med copter if the ER was only 3 miles away from the scene? Couldn't be much traffic that time of night. Also it was raining but Tran had his window down? The "Beretta Nano" belonged to Al. The bg had the .380 Bryco. Terrible event, so senseless. I am happy the bg was found and convicted. May he burn in Hell.
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Thank god they found 12 people that had enough sense of right and wrong to convict this man to fullest extent of the law, and thank god for Texas. The more I think about this the more I think about every time I have taken my girlfriend to the store or let her go alone after work, it makes me sick to think that 2 families were destroyed because some kid wanted to take a car for a couple laps around the block. This is probably the most senseless crime I have ever heard of.
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Another reason I just want to go live in the woods. Hate where this world is going and some people just make NO SENSE!
I don't see how anyone could ever shoot somebody, attack somebody, rape somebody or rob somebody for nothing.
I would never be able to harm somebody that did not intend on harming me.
But if harm is coming my way I'd sure as hell be able to do it.
Thank you for convicting him!
Last edited by limatunes; November 27th, 2012 at 11:12 PM. Reason: language
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As soon as I began reading your description of the juror selection process, I knew exactly what kind of trial this was. I went through the same process in TX 15 years ago. That trial was one of the most emotional things I've ever been through. I don't talk about it much.
As of today, the offender we convicted is still on death row in TX. I check the TDCJ death row page periodically to see if his execution has been scheduled yet. For some reason, I feel compelled to see the process through 'till the end.
Thank you for your willingness to serve, and for rendering justice for the victims and their families.
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