This is a discussion on Brittle egos within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by OldVet Did you really use the word, "Dude"? Yesssssir I did :)...
Problem with that is that you fight like you train . If you carry it in your head you are subject to getting it in another orifice .
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Don't get me wrong . I started fighting before I started grade school in WV coal camp area . Continued being a noted brawler
into my late 20's . I fully understand the sentiment . Times change and we have to quit dragging our knuckles to keep up with the times . Responsible , legal concealed carry is just that : we are held to a higher standard of behavior in dealing with dweeds than we are sometimes comfortable with .
Thataway Ernie--get into a fight, have it escalate, have the punk get the better of you, put yourself in imminent danger and then blow him away--if there are witnesses to all of this--guess who is going to have to defend themselves in criminal and civil court. Boy do I understand what you are saying--I would be enraged if someone started up with my wife, but if you are CC, SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON--you are dead wrong in your comment. Unless the punk actually initiates a confrontation that is more than some words and you have an opportunity to just go away, that is what you are suppose to do, particularly if you have the eventual power to kill him.
If you are going to confront every guy that cals your wife the b word then leave your guns at home.
In my younger days I worked for construction companies and in furniture mills (night shift machine room). Let's just say there were many occasions in which more than just words flew. Times are different now. I am a husband and father, I have a career, and much more to lose. If I'm going to risk it all to get angry and physical over something, it will have to be something darn worth it. Any idiot can say anything, and you can't control what others say...but you can control how you let it affect you. If all they are doing is running their mouth, you can rest assured knowing that at some point someone with a lot less to lose will jump on the opportunity.
Know Guns, Know Safety, Know Peace.
No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
Guns are like sex and air...its no big deal until YOU can't get any.
My girlfriend is about 5'7" and shes pretty tough. If he did that to her, I would have to protect him.![]()
I guess I am not following the posts correctly here. I can't see anywhere that someone said they would respond with deadly force. I think a lot of posters are just reading way too much into the other responses.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
-General James Mattis, USMC
To get into a fist fight over words while carrying a gun is about as irresponsible as it can get. Any escalated confrontation means there is a chance it reaches a part where you would deem it necessary to draw.
Be a real man, walk away.
Or ask him to hug it out
(credit pscipio03, of course)
Been calling it like I see it since 1988 and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
I just want to make it clear, that wanting to "explain" to some punk how NOT to speak to your wife does not mean that you would actually get in a confrontation in real life. On this forum we're allowed to post our secret desires to "educate" some people, despite that in real life most of us would indeed walk away. The 'chest thumping' is men being men. If you can say that you would not be bothered by something like that happening to your wife, then I would say you're probably lying. Getting upset does not mean that you would resort to violence, or lethal force, over words. So, let's not be so quick to judge who is or isn't suited for the responsibility of carrying.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
-General James Mattis, USMC
This kinda covers it.
As a gun owner, you have to be cool-headed, more-so than the police ever have to be. You do not ever run around pretending to be the police while carrying a gun because then, stuff like this can happen. You do not start stuff, act aggressively, flip the bird, roll your eyes, talk smack, or even raise your voice to anyone, ever.
A combat instructor (who happened to be Buddhist and a Marine) once said to me:
"From now on, when dealing with (ed.) crazy / possibly violent people, you will lose every argument. You are always wrong. You are sorry for impinging on their day.
You will apologize and apologize again. You will back the heck down. You will put your tail between your legs. You will let them talk stuff about your lady friend. You will let them call your mother a witch and a hooker, your dad a punk.
You have no ego. You do all this because if you are the one to start a fight, by default that fight now has a gun in it, and if you start losing, you're going to pull it and kill him.
Even if you don't go to jail because you could convince the jury that it was self-defense, you're going to have to live with the fact that you took someone's life in defense of your pride and ego not your life.
You are not the police, so don't act like them. Though many of you [civilians] are better shots than the police, you do not have the training, the continuum of force policy, a union, plus free lawyers protecting you if you screw up.
In closing he added “After backing down and trying to apologize, if at any time you then feel your life or that of a loved one is in danger, put three rounds into his [cardiothoracic] vault, call the police, call your lawyer, give a statement, go home, and sleep like a baby. You did all you could for your attacker, and he was the one that made the final decision...... to kill himself."
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. (WETSU)
I guess the bottom line is there is a difference between fantasy (what we'd like to do) and reality (what we would actually do).
My wife has been training Krav Maga for several years now. I would have let her handle it.
I'd say the OP handled it pretty well. It is very interesting to read all the ego responses about escalating the situation. It's clearly the stronger the man who can let words be words and walk away with out a thought of escalation.